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My cat alerted me to a DDoS attack

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Re: My cat alerted me to a DDoS attack

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post #9

It's so easy to crush ddos with token buckets that usually the only thing I need my cat to wake me for is when my Discord gets raided.

some types of DDoS. ;)

You could still overload the service with a sufficiently large attack in either volume of connection requests or number of unique IP addresses.

Token buckets are usually part of an overall resilience strategy rather than a silver bullet to solve all denial of service concerns.

Re: My cat alerted me to a DDoS attack

#82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

as with most roles, I think it is negotiable. You have your professional leverage, expected pay and grit. you need to balance these things. Also, if you can get an equivalent role with less requirements such as being on call, then I guess it is just a question of grabbing it!

I mean, you have oncall, it's just permanent oncall.

Not really. If I don't agree to on-call, I do it on best-effort basis. That is: "Oh, I'm camping with kids without a computer. I'll try to help you as much as I can. Did you try Z after X and Y didn't work? Ok, try it and call me back how it went, I'll try to Google something in the meantime." If that would happen too often (more than 1-2x a year), I would try to improve the process or consider switching my job. And my phone is silent during the night.

I wouldn't call this a permanent on-call, just being responsive.

Re: My cat alerted me to a DDoS attack

#83
post #30

The princely sum of $5,000. We got that at my employer back in 2016. We got hit by a ddos, and decided to ignore it, though we did dig up some BTC just in case. We enacted a bunch of DDoS protection as a result, costing way more than $5,000, but not paying money to extortionists is worth every penny.

The problem with paying extortion or ransoms is that you incentivize the attacker to come back and do it again. It may have been $5k to pay off one attacker and more than that to build the defense, but now you have defenses and are less likely to suffer attackers in the future. And as you say, not paying money to criminals is inherently worthwhile.

This might something for you (and the repliers):

From the german chaos computer clubs yearly meeting. Linus talks about what to do and who ransoms work, how "well" the service is and briefly pros and cons of paying.

https://media.ccc.de/v/37c3-12134-hirne_hacken_hackback_edit...

Also a good one was the first part: https://media.ccc.de/v/36c3-11175-hirne_hacken

Re: My cat alerted me to a DDoS attack

#84

The princely sum of $5,000. We got that at my employer back in 2016. We got hit by a ddos, and decided to ignore it, though we did dig up some BTC just in case. We enacted a bunch of DDoS protection as a result, costing way more than $5,000, but not paying money to extortionists is worth every penny.

About 20 years ago I was kinda accidentally the guy who dealt with the DDoS attacks in the sysadmin team. There was a sequence of extortion emails during about 2 week period:

1. $50k or we attack - didn’t register anything

2. $25k or else - a minor overload on the server but nothing serious.

3. $10k or else - a serious attack which affected the service in a major way.

4. $5k or we really pissed - this time they took down a whole Tier2 ISP and Datacenter in London for a day. Other carriers peering on London Internet Exchange had to blackhole traffic to our service provider and finally kept blackholing one of our IPs for a while. I had to scramble to find a DDoS mitigation service, new DC and servers.

We did not respond to any of the emails. The attackers were also quite dumb, they attacked the web servers which were located in a well connected place.

The money making service of the business was in the Caribbean with a 1,5Mbps T1 and a 0,5Mbps satellite backup. They could have saturated those much easier for much longer and the impact then would have been about $1M revenue loss per hour.

Re: My cat alerted me to a DDoS attack

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of my all-time favorite novels, Anansi Boys by Neil Gaiman, includes an anecdote: a crow's call wakes up someone who's sleeping outdoors, just as a large cat (a tiger, perhaps) is sneaking up on him. One character suggests the crow was trying to warn the man. Another posits the bird was bringing the sleeper to the tiger's attention so it could enjoy the scraps after the meal.

There is another Neil Gaiman short story about a cat who goes gallivanting every night and comes back every morning all scuffed up. The owners don't know why since there aren't any other cats around. One night the owner can't sleep and discovers the reason. Don't want to spoil. It's nice and short and a must-read for cat lovers. "The Price". http://www.bitchwick.com/amacker/bean/price.html

Good read

Re: My cat alerted me to a DDoS attack

#86
It's translated by duckduckgo.com's chatgpt interface. don't down vote plz :D

I suspect that I am somewhat sensitive to electromagnetic fields and magnetic fields. There have been times when I have not felt well the next day after sleeping on an electric heating pad, and I have experienced severe discomfort after sleeping on a mattress with magnets.

When I used a CRT monitor, I often had diarrhea if I spent a long time in front of the monitor.

Since using LCD monitors or laptops, those symptoms have disappeared.

When I sleep, there is a wireless router on the right side of my head, and I play youtube videos on my smartphone on the left side. I have strange dreams and wake up early from sleep. However, if I put the smartphone on the right side of my head while sleeping, those symptoms are lessened.

Thus,

Even though there was no sound, wouldn't your cat have sensed that as well?

Re: My cat alerted me to a DDoS attack

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of my all-time favorite novels, Anansi Boys by Neil Gaiman, includes an anecdote: a crow's call wakes up someone who's sleeping outdoors, just as a large cat (a tiger, perhaps) is sneaking up on him. One character suggests the crow was trying to warn the man. Another posits the bird was bringing the sleeper to the tiger's attention so it could enjoy the scraps after the meal.

There is another Neil Gaiman short story about a cat who goes gallivanting every night and comes back every morning all scuffed up. The owners don't know why since there aren't any other cats around. One night the owner can't sleep and discovers the reason. Don't want to spoil. It's nice and short and a must-read for cat lovers. "The Price". http://www.bitchwick.com/amacker/bean/price.html

That was a terrifyingly poignant read, thank you.

Re: My cat alerted me to a DDoS attack

#88
post #13

As always it’s easy to overlook the insider threat. Grammatically dubious extortion emai? Bitcoin ransom? Did it not occur to you that the cat was the one behind the attack ?

The call is coming from inside the house!

The meow is coming from inside the house

Re: My cat alerted me to a DDoS attack

#89
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with paying extortion or ransoms is that you incentivize the attacker to come back and do it again. It may have been $5k to pay off one attacker and more than that to build the defense, but now you have defenses and are less likely to suffer attackers in the future. And as you say, not paying money to criminals is inherently worthwhile.

On the other hand the attacker may actually have incentive to follow through and hold up their end so as to build a reputation. Making their next victims more likely to just pay. Somewhere I read that some ransomware had excellent "customer" service for helping you transfer over the payment and promptly restore your files.

I mean it's not like these people are operating under " long lived identities and want to build a long term business relationship with you.

From their side, the logic seems as simple as: repeat the attack -> some chance of more money, don't repeat the attack -> 0% chance of more money

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