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Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Post by Kim_Bruning »

samatman wrote: post #43
rylittle wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

anyone know if theres a way to fix this?

I'd start with the question: where do you want them to go? Windowing systems generally don't have a 'limbo' where windows can live without being displayable, and that probably isn't what you want, either. Do you want them all to auto-minimize? You can probably get that. But it starts with answering the question.

If it's the same problem I've had, I feel the pain!

On a laptop, reconfiguring to use monitors as and when you connect/disconnect them can be great.

However, I'm often on a PC with a fixed multi-monitor setup. The situation where one monitor is briefly out is transient. But some windowing systems decide to permanently erase all your painfully eked out settings at the drop of a hat.

The correct behavior in this particular case is actually just to do nothing, the fact that a monitor seems to have gone away should just be ignored. (Because it didn't go away, really. Maybe I'm just messing with it for a sec, or it's a different brand and turns on/off a few seconds after the others)

[IIRC on KDE you can prevent auto-reconfiguration by turning Kscreen OFF ]

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

oarsinsync wrote: post #74
jayd16 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what its worth Windows should handle this well enough now. Window locations are restored when the monitor setup returns to a previous layout.

My up-to-date patched install of Windows 10 does not, unfortunately

My macos does :D

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Post by chgs »

thih9 wrote: post #75
chgs wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Piratebay still works right? I just subscribe to paramount plus again to watch discovery. Seems perfectly reasonable, they give me a program I want (with no product placement from what I can gather - unlike the JJ Abram’s films with their “Budweiser classic”. I don’t think a self sealing stem boot counts), and I give them £8 a month. Everyone is happy. However you try to double dip and I don’t give you a penny.

Piratebay may not work as smoothly. Content doesn’t appear effortlessly on all your devices. Some subtitle languages may be missing. Less mainstream content may be of low quality, slow to download or missing too. Plus, you have to plan ahead or wait for the download to finish. At this point I would double check the streaming plan price (as long as there is an ad free tier).

I haven’t used pirate bay for a long time as I can simply buy or rent the material I want

However start putting adverts in that and it’s changes, it’s either “don’t watch at all” or “get from pirate bay (or elsewhere)”, because the product I want isn’t available.

20 years ago I used to get tv from places like irc because it was the only way to get the material. 25 years ago I hd no choice by to wait for the vhs to come out.

It’s a service problem, not a price problem. Sadly it seems companies want to make the service bad, which means they throw the baby out with the bath water.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Post by castornest »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #28
dreamcompiler wrote: post #16

> When the media device pauses the media content, the display device can determine that a pause event has occurred and insert an ad shown on the display device. Hilarious. I love how all the streaming companies are hijacking the pause control now. Why do you think I hit pause? Pick one or more of the following: 1. I need to go to the bathroom. 2. I want to inspect the current frame more carefully. 3. I want to see an…

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Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Post by ecnahc515 »

chgs wrote: post #62
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically the fully skippable commercials on cable TV with a DVR are the best deal we can get anymore, anything in the streaming world can take control of the video stream away from you.

Piratebay still works right? I just subscribe to paramount plus again to watch discovery. Seems perfectly reasonable, they give me a program I want (with no product placement from what I can gather - unlike the JJ Abram’s films with their “Budweiser classic”. I don’t think a self sealing stem boot counts), and I give them £8 a month. Everyone is happy. However you try to double dip and I don’t give you a penny.

If you are watching your Linux ISOs on your self-hosted setup that uses a Roku; presumably they can still inject ads; regardless of where/how you obtained the media.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Post by NoPicklez »

ChrisArchitect wrote: post #10

Related: Roku data breach: Over 15k accounts affected https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39674041

Read further and you'll find it was just Roku identifying that users were using the same password across multiple services of which were separately breached and credential stuffed.

If anything this reflects positively on Roku that they announced it

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #16

> When the media device pauses the media content, the display device can determine that a pause event has occurred and insert an ad shown on the display device. Hilarious. I love how all the streaming companies are hijacking the pause control now. Why do you think I hit pause? Pick one or more of the following: 1. I need to go to the bathroom. 2. I want to inspect the current frame more carefully. 3. I want to see an…

If it's #1, at some point you will come back from the bathroom.

When you do, there will be a moment in between when you can see the screen but haven't hit play yet. This is a prime ad opportunity.

If you are watching with others, they may wait for you while you go to the bathroom. They will also be able to see the screen.

Sorry for not being any fun. I just think Roku is behaving somewhat logically here. (I say "somewhat" because there is one issue: speaking for myself at least, would never buy a TV that does this!)

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Post by throw10920 »

someotherperson wrote: post #52
thih9 wrote: post #26

Why are forced ads still a thing? When given choice, people escape them - via netflix or adblock. The same people spend their free time watching youtube reviews, chatting on gear forums, or recommending each other deals on social media; it looks like people genuinely want to learn about good and fairly priced products. I sincerely hope we’ll find a better way of reaching an audience than forced ads.

Don't worry, there will be a small monthly subscription of $9.99 to disable them! Or if you buy the new Roku Plus Extreme you can opt-out of personalized ads! What more could you want?

This comment is crazy. There's no reasonable way to fund a service without either ads or direct payment.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

chgs wrote: post #83
thih9 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Piratebay may not work as smoothly. Content doesn’t appear effortlessly on all your devices. Some subtitle languages may be missing. Less mainstream content may be of low quality, slow to download or missing too. Plus, you have to plan ahead or wait for the download to finish. At this point I would double check the streaming plan price (as long as there is an ad free tier).

I haven’t used pirate bay for a long time as I can simply buy or rent the material I want However start putting adverts in that and it’s changes, it’s either “don’t watch at all” or “get from pirate bay (or elsewhere)”, because the product I want isn’t available. 20 years ago I used to get tv from places like irc because it was the only way to get the material. 25 years ago I hd no choice by to wait for the vhs to co…

The core problem is that, as a amorphous class, consumers are more price sensitive than quality sensitive, and those that aren't tend to have very little price sensitivity. So the profit-optimal solution is to charge your minority of price insensitive users through the nose, and extract value from the price sensitive by enshitiffying your service.

This sucks for those of us in the middle ground (having taste but not unlimited budgets), as we get shoved into "eat shit and smile" group.

Re: Roku files patent to inject ads via HDMI

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Post by emodendroket »

thih9 wrote: post #26

Why are forced ads still a thing? When given choice, people escape them - via netflix or adblock. The same people spend their free time watching youtube reviews, chatting on gear forums, or recommending each other deals on social media; it looks like people genuinely want to learn about good and fairly priced products. I sincerely hope we’ll find a better way of reaching an audience than forced ads.

Roku loses money on making televisions and makes it back on advertising and services. It turns out people don't hate ads enough to spend money to not see them.
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