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Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by traceroute66 »

walterbell wrote: post #9

Apple should provide an option to opt-out of Siri "learn from app" for ALL applications. At present, this must be done individually for every app, https://www.imore.com/how-stop-siri-learning-how-you-use-app... . When you later install new apps after setting up the device, you have to remember to go into Settings and opt-out again, for every app, forever. How many people know that iOS devices will default to Siri rea…

> Apple should provide an option to opt-out of Siri "learn from app" for ALL applications.

You can.

Use the free Apple Configurator tool to generate a profile that has:

    - "Allow Siri" unchecked
    - "Allow Siri Suggestions" unchecked
Apple Configuratior is great. You can disable all sorts of things, e.g. iCloud access.

If your iPhone is on $org MDM, you can do the same on MDM.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by throw0101c »

everdrive wrote: post #56
walterbell wrote: post #9

Apple should provide an option to opt-out of Siri "learn from app" for ALL applications. At present, this must be done individually for every app, https://www.imore.com/how-stop-siri-learning-how-you-use-app... . When you later install new apps after setting up the device, you have to remember to go into Settings and opt-out again, for every app, forever. How many people know that iOS devices will default to Siri rea…

It would be much better if I could just uninstall Siri. I don't want a voice assistant, and never have.

> It would be much better if I could just uninstall Siri. I don't want a voice assistant, and never have.

I just don't turn it on and so never use it.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by nicce »

rcarmo wrote: post #76

For privacy-conscious people, the authors certainly picked an outlet with plenty of cookies and trackers - this is what the popup shows me when I pick "customise": 17 necessary cookies 7 functional 34 statistics 49 marketing 10 unclassified This kind of thing makes the article seem... ridiculous, really. Their site is much worse at privacy than Apple.

Not their fault to be fair. Blame management of Aalto University.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by wkat4242 »

lrvick wrote: post #70
wkat4242 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And get locked out of 80% of modern life :(

That is just not true. I have not carried a phone or an Google/Apple controlled device in 3+ years and exclusively use FOSS on a personal basis. I live in Silicon Valley, run a b2b tech company, have a huge group of local friends, and have never been excluded from anything I wanted in my life for not having a phone. Paper menus are available if you ask, sms can be converted to VoIP, you do not need Genie Plus to navi…

Hmm here in Spain it's more difficult. Nobody uses SMS here (nor iMessage), it's all WhatsApp and Telegram. And most banks do force an app here (for 2FA payments for example). Tickets can go on paper yeah, though some restaurants I visit don't do paper menus (especially the asian ones).

Also some stuff for work is mobile-only. We have a stupid 2FA system that only works with a mobile app (the company gives us a phone but it does mean being tracked), and the same with the desk booking (I absolutely hate the office since we implemented flexdesks).

Cash is still common here yeah though I don't like dealing with it. I wish there was a mobile payment method that didn't rely on Apple or Google.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by Rygian »

arijun wrote: post #57
Rygian wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it PII? Yes, because it's linked to your personal Apple account, that identifies you as an individual to the data controller (Apple, as they are the ones deciding which data to collect and how it will be used). Is it pseudonymized? No Is it fully anonymized? No Is the user given transparent information about which data is collected, how it is used, for which purposes? No Is the user given the choice to object to t…

If, as another poster claimed, the data never leaves your device, you absolutely can have privacy. Some people might prefer a stricter form, but it’s not nothing.

I need to disagree with that reasoning.

A device you own is collecting and using data that pertain to your personal sphere, in ways defined by a vendor, and that you do not understand or control.

From that premise, you cannot hop to the conclusion that the data does not leave the device, because the entity deciding how the data is used is not telling you how the data is used.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by threeseed »

lrvick wrote: post #55
fh9302 wrote: post #48

This article is highly misleading, making it sound like Siri is collecting data from apps and sending it to Apple. This is not the case, Siri Suggestions are fully on-device, though they can sync accross devices with mandatory E2EE. Apple never gets access to any of this data.

Apple can remotely execute code on any internet connected device running an proprietary Apple operating system. It is only a matter of time before courts realize this. The CCP controls the Apple software signing HSMs in China for a reason.

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Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by krapp »

rcarmo wrote: post #76

For privacy-conscious people, the authors certainly picked an outlet with plenty of cookies and trackers - this is what the popup shows me when I pick "customise": 17 necessary cookies 7 functional 34 statistics 49 marketing 10 unclassified This kind of thing makes the article seem... ridiculous, really. Their site is much worse at privacy than Apple.

The authors appear to be associated the university which hosts the site. I doubt they are responsible for the engineering decisions behind the site, or that they "picked the outlet" per se. Authors tend not to have carte blanche control over the platforms on which they publish.

I don't know why you would judge the content of the article based on that, rather than its own merits, particularly given that the subject of the article isn't the security of web pages or cookies. If anything, what the article does discuss has far more egregious security implications than website cookies.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by traceroute66 »

"Lindqvist can’t comment directly on how Google's Android works in similar respects"

Of course he can't, because its easier to jump on the Apple bashing bandwagon.

I suspect if you did a side-by-side comparison, we all know where Android would fall on the privacy spectrum.

Give me Apple over Google any day of the week.

I expected better from Lindqvist than take part in a biased article like that.

Re: Keeping your data from Apple is harder than expected

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Post by walterbell »

throw0101c wrote: post #82
everdrive wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be much better if I could just uninstall Siri. I don't want a voice assistant, and never have.

> It would be much better if I could just uninstall Siri. I don't want a voice assistant, and never have. I just don't turn it on and so never use it.

Per the article, you are still using "Siri" (non-voice features), even if you never enabled Siri-for-voice: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39928357
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