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Cloudflare R2 IA storage tier

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Re: Cloudflare R2 IA storage tier

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Post by InvaderFizz »

iancarroll wrote: post #71
no_wizard wrote: post #66

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if they simply streamlined their sales pipeline and created a mid tier (somewhere between $500-$2500 a month for example) that unlocks some of the features that are behind "contact sales" banner they could boost revenue without changing any existing tiers, I'd wager. I think the platform has a ton of potential and it already shows signs of real progress, but much like fly.io, its rough edges are incredibly rough.

This exists but isn’t really documented, we pay ~$1k/mo for a “light” enterprise version of Cloudflare.

A few jobs ago I was looking at switching from CloudFront to CloudFlare. I was basically told to come back when I have real money to spend. They essentially said that they don't even want to work with me and my $3k/month cloudfront bill, they start at $5k.

Re: Cloudflare R2 IA storage tier

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Post by daydream »

internetter wrote: post #33
ac29 wrote: post #21

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Backblaze is unprofitable and publicly traded, a combination which cant last forever. They raised B2 prices 20% last year, I wouldnt be surprised to see more increases if they continue to burn through cash.

> Backblaze is unprofitable and publicly traded So is Cloudflare

Cloudflare is cash flow positive and profitable on a non-GAAP basis, while being unprofitable on a GAAP basis. https://www.cloudflare.com/press-releases/2024/cloudflare-an...

Re: Cloudflare R2 IA storage tier

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Post by halfcat »

godelski wrote: post #40
kjkjadksj wrote: post #32

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I can’t get over the fact how storage is still so expensive in 2024. Lowest you can get is probably $5 per tb a month from any of these companies. A new tb hdd is probably $25 today. Where does the money go, into c suite car payments?

I really believe there's a missing market. I think there would be big business in building servers for homes. Where you prioritize low power usage and low noise, and do not need blazing speeds or frequent/high access. Cloud is great, but some things should still be stored at home. Home NAS systems are a bit odd and difficult to expand (nowhere near what a rack is). My argument would be that this would be helpful with…

Servers still fail, regardless of how much redundancy you build in.

Especially in a home, where kids spill a gallon of fruit juice and don’t think to tell anyone until 2 days later, pets knock things off tables, fires happen, power outages happen, theft happens, and so on.

There still needs to be a plan for when the server is gone. So, buy two home servers and run them in different locations? Back to cloud? Or what’s the plan?

Re: Cloudflare R2 IA storage tier

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Post by Guzba »

daydream wrote: post #82
internetter wrote: post #33

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> Backblaze is unprofitable and publicly traded So is Cloudflare

Cloudflare is cash flow positive and profitable on a non-GAAP basis, while being unprofitable on a GAAP basis. https://www.cloudflare.com/press-releases/2024/cloudflare-an...

Cloudflare is cash-flow positive because a big chunk of employee compensation is paid thru the issuance of new shares (eg constantly raising more money and diluting existing owners / investors). If you include that comp as a cost they are not making money https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/net/financials/cash-flow-st...

Re: Cloudflare R2 IA storage tier

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Post by freedomben »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #72
jjtheblunt wrote: post #24

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Isn't iDrive a BMW trademark for decades? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_iDrive

Downvoted for a question? How laughably degenerate.

Yeah it can get pretty ridiculous. Fortunately over time things tend to even out, but for whatever reason a lot of early HN participants downvote everything. My theory is that the people who would downvote a question like this one are the people who go around reading passive aggression in every little thing. Possibly people that assume every question is secretly an agenda to propagate an opinion they disagree with, and that there are hidden implications everywhere.

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Post by jjtheblunt »

freedomben wrote: post #85
jjtheblunt wrote: post #72

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Downvoted for a question? How laughably degenerate.

Yeah it can get pretty ridiculous. Fortunately over time things tend to even out, but for whatever reason a lot of early HN participants downvote everything. My theory is that the people who would downvote a question like this one are the people who go around reading passive aggression in every little thing. Possibly people that assume every question is secretly an agenda to propagate an opinion they disagree with, a…

Yep, but i have been here long and the non-contributing downvote phenomenon seemed to me to start when HN got more widespread participation.

How did you figure out the conversation sniping to be earlier members?

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Post by jgrahamc »

InvaderFizz wrote: post #81
iancarroll wrote: post #71

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This exists but isn’t really documented, we pay ~$1k/mo for a “light” enterprise version of Cloudflare.

A few jobs ago I was looking at switching from CloudFront to CloudFlare. I was basically told to come back when I have real money to spend. They essentially said that they don't even want to work with me and my $3k/month cloudfront bill, they start at $5k.

Who told you this? I'd love to see that email exchange (jgc @ cloudflare).

Re: Cloudflare R2 IA storage tier

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Post by viraptor »

jakubadamw wrote: post #76
viraptor wrote: post #50

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Yeah, the integration and production readiness of their non-core offerings is not perfect. I'm dealing with R2 and another service and you can tell they fell more like... specifically integrated features, rather than fully modular services you can choose to use as you want. Like the workers have possible R2 bindings, but you can't use those in a fetch() call - you have to use S3 compatible endpoint instead. AWS has i…

> Like the workers have possible R2 bindings, but you can't use those in a fetch() call - you have to use S3 compatible endpoint instead. Sorry, could you please elaborate? Why can you not use a binding to an R2 bucket – and perform operations on its objects – in a `fetch()` handler of a worker? Or did I misunderstand this statement?

I meant that in your worker handler, you can only run fetch(s3-endpoint-for-bucket) rather than something like fetch(env.MY_BUCKET...)

This matters for their image resizing which needs to be used as options on fetch().

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Post by ddorian43 »

_cenw wrote: post #25
nchmy wrote: post #20

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and iDrive e2 is even cheaper. https://www.idrive.com/s3-storage-e2/

iDrive is slow and charges extremely high fees for usage above provisioned. They also have a history of increasing prices for individual contracts only a few weeks before renewal, so you can't possibly have enough time to move your data. Hetzner Storage Boxes (2.50-3 EUR per TB) is probably the sweet spot. B2 if you need an object storage API.

> iDrive is slow and charges extremely high fees for usage above provisioned.

What is the fee?

Re: Cloudflare R2 IA storage tier

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Post by ddorian43 »

_cenw wrote: post #75
vineyardmike wrote: post #56

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Do storage boxes have any availability risk? “Storage box” sounds like you have an actual VM with an attached spinning disk, which doesn’t seem tolerant to hardware failures. I couldn’t find any details on their website about this.

They're on triple redundancy Ceph as far as I know, not geo redundant, but at that price you can buy one in Germany and one in Finland and still come out cheaper than B2. You also only get a very locked down shell.

It's not CEPH. Some type of raid: https://docs.hetzner.com/robot/storage-box/general/#reliabil...
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