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Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illness?

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Re: Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illness?

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Here is a simple experiment. Spend the same amount of time on social media as your average teen for a month, and report your mental health before and after assuming you use it less. 'correlation does not imply causation' has become the most overused lazy argument to dismiss so many problems.

For some reason I’m a reminded of David Hume’s argument about causation

Re: Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illness?

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When I was a kid, it was video games that were ruining a generation, in my parents generation it was "the devils music" that was turning them into a bunch of degenerates. I wonder what the issues where when Galileo was a kid? They title says "epidemic of teenage mental illness", but do we not discriminate between mental illness and mental health? Where is that line? I'm not suggesting social media doesn't have it's c…

If teens were playing games in front of the TV as much as people look at their phones today, they'd probably have actual ruined a generation.

Re: Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illness?

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I always wonder when an "epidemic" gets reported if things really have changed or if we just recognize it better. When I grew up, we had a lot of kids (including myself) with problems like depression or not fitting in in other ways. Back then they were just labeled as "slow", "stupid" or "difficult". Nobody thought about mental illness or ways for addressing these issues.

Not fitting in is not a mental illness. And this attitude is behind the prevalence of many mental illnesses today. We've gone from a society that embraced difference to one that claims to embrace difference while mandating sameness. TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, etc, are all toxic for this reason.

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Re: Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illness?

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The problem with social media is it is a paralysis engine. It drives the most seemingly credible, brain-wormy and engagement-driving discourse to the top, promoting the most violent, exclusionary and aggressively undertoned rallying cries of trending angst-fueled ideologies. As a consequence, whatever your opinion, identity, or circumstances, you will surely encounter the echo chambers of people who want you dead or…

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Re: Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illness?

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I'm guessing not just teenagers. Every day on Twitter, I see posts like [this]( https://twitter.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/17741956933237925... ) by accounts with hundreds of thousands of followers that are indistinguishable from schizophrenic ideation. These consist of extremely idiosyncratic delusions that, thanks purely to social media, find a community of believers who can reassure each other that no, they're not…

I see that post, on its own (I don't do twitter), and think it's just a clever satirical post. Something above the stage of "John Wilkes Booth drank water, and so did Joe Biden. Coincidence?"

That might be plausible if you consider the post in isolation, but the account that posted it does nothing but post paranoid ragebait of a similar flavor a dozen times a day and racked up an enormous following doing so. They're not making fun of their own audience.

Re: Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illness?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world had much bigger and more imminent problems in the past. People didn't dwell on them collectively in the same way.

I don't mean to be glib, but you are in denial. Nuclear war is more likely now than since the early cold war, China is ready to invade Taiwan, climate change is poised to weaken or complete disrupt the Gulf Stream, America is months away from electing an insurrectionist as president, buying a house is a pipe dream for most Americans... How could you see that as a young person and not feel at least a little hopeless?

As the other posters have alluded, read some history, and you'll find parallels everywhere. It's serious, but it's often serious. Previous generations managed to buck up and meet the challenge; what changed? Subjective mindset, not objective situation.

Re: Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illness?

#87

Here is a simple experiment. Spend the same amount of time on social media as your average teen for a month, and report your mental health before and after assuming you use it less. 'correlation does not imply causation' has become the most overused lazy argument to dismiss so many problems.

If HN counts as social media, then I'm probably in the ballpark already. But also I was an anxious kid back before the Internet was even really widely available. I guess I was mentally unwell before it was cool.

Re: Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illness?

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I always see discussions on this topic online immediately start discussing how the content of social media is the driver of the mental health issues (comparison to others, everyone projecting their best selves etc). My own experiences with social media and phone addiction leads me to believe its not JUST the content, but also (equally, perhaps moreso) the fact that teenagers AND adults with social media and phone add…

... and how they steer the discussion from "social media" to "screen time".

Wikipedia helpfully selected a picture of somebody using an ebook reader as their illustration of what "screen time" means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_time

I'm just flabbergasted with the level of smokescreen that goes on in this discussion. Pretty sure reading books on ebook readers is not what is driving teenage mental health problems.

Re: Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illness?

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For anyone who reads the comments before TFA: yes, it’s just more Haidt.

No, it's not just "more Haidt", it's a decidedly anti-Haidt article.

     the book’s repeated suggestion that digital technologies are rewiring our children’s brains and causing an epidemic of mental illness is not supported by science. 
Being Nature the calling Haidt out for bupkis part is buried amid a lot of

    Hundreds of researchers, myself included, have searched for the kind of large effects suggested by Haidt. Our efforts have produced a mix of no, small and mixed associations. Most data are correlative. When associations over time are found, they suggest not that social-media use predicts or causes depression, but that young people who already have mental-health problems use such platforms more often or in different ways from their healthy peers.

Re: Is social media behind an epidemic of teenage mental illness?

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The problem with social media is it is a paralysis engine. It drives the most seemingly credible, brain-wormy and engagement-driving discourse to the top, promoting the most violent, exclusionary and aggressively undertoned rallying cries of trending angst-fueled ideologies. As a consequence, whatever your opinion, identity, or circumstances, you will surely encounter the echo chambers of people who want you dead or…

I don't agree. As far as I remember somewhat extreme opinions were present in the public discourse (for instance far left positions on university campus, far right ones at the local pub). Moreover, people who want me dead or removed from society because of my political views are in my immediate social or professional circle, no need for social media to meet them.

> Moreover, people who want me dead or removed from society because of my political views are in my immediate social or professional circle, no need for social media to meet them.

This is not the norm

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