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Almost out of the loop about Neuralink's tech. Is it EEG?

not exactly it is a bunch of wires measuring differential voltages inside the brain not on surface of the skull. So you get a much better specificity in the signals (think of it as resolution). even if you out 1000 probes on a skull you wouldn't get much information.

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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It is fascinating. But looking at this guy condition, playing games would be IMHO not the prio. I would hook up the remote controlling to a robotic exoskeleton, for just be back and function normal. I guess that also can be detected ( intention to move feet or hands in any direction ). But let's see, we are really at the beginning.

Better than an exoskeleton is a second implant below his C4/5 to reconnect his spinal chord with his brain via wifi.

Neurolink has already said that this is the plan. This is one of the first steps.

They are solving the easiest things first of course

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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Some clarity for ppl. - Other techniques would likely work for this patient. Eyegaze technology is pretty readily available. He has proximity switches for driving his chair and lets not forget voice control. So.. what does BCIe offer significantly? I think this is the BIG problem BCI has. The gains are not enough for a lot of people compared to what the AT sector can already offer. Please remember this. This guy coul…

Eye tracking does not work nearly as well as people imagine. It cannot directly replace a mouse pointer the way you want it to. The accuracy and reliability are not good enough and never will be due to physical constraints. This system is likely already working better than an eye tracker would for cursor control, and it will certainly improve.

Apple has done great stuff with eye tracking on Vision Pro, but it required completely rewriting the UI for literally everything. Not something we have the luxury of doing for accessibility for quadriplegics.

Source: built an eye tracker and eye-controlled UI at a startup and got acquired by Google

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From a technical perspective, moving a mouse with your mind isn't entirely new: https://elifesciences.org/articles/18554 Personally, I think the most exciting part of Neuralink and other companies working on BCIs is the fact that they're trying to keep these implants in long-term, and scale the deployment significantly. Most academic BCI research thus far has just been trials, without patients getting to keep the imp…

Moving the mouse wasn't that impressive. That he could turn of the music just like that while the game was open was impressive. And Civ 6 is way more complex to operate compared to chess. I assume that's not mouse driven. Still early days for this tech but it seems impressive.

Civ 6 can be entirely played via mouse

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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I haven't followed Neuralink too closely since it was announced, so I was not expecting to see what I just saw. I've seen a handful of breakthrough moments in my life - I think this will be remembered as one.

I don't think the device itself is a breakthrough, the issue beforehand was that tissue in the brain tries to heal from the implant, it can be lethal, I don't know what they're doing to have a PERMANENT implant, completely stop that area from "healing" so tht the implant doesn't become a legitimate hazard.

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This makes me very excited! I have Spinal Muscular Atrophy type 2 [1] and I have lost most of my physical capabilities save for 2-3 fingers and of course speech. Although I am now on Nusinersen [2] treatments I am still becoming weaker over time, albeit extremely slowly. It brings me comfort to know that such a fallback will eventually exist, should I need one. Note that specialists are saying that another promising…

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Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not faked though.. according to your link they tried multiple times and only showed the success video. But the statement that the software drove with no intervention was accurate, and the video was authentic.

The link says that the route was pre-determined, pre-mapped, tried multiple times and crashed once during the trials. By the same logic, this video would not be faked even if in fact it's the same chess move he tried for 2 months and it's the only one working, and also another patient died. Not saying it's the case - clearly not. But yeah, let's be real.

This was live streamed

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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I haven't followed Neuralink too closely since it was announced, so I was not expecting to see what I just saw. I've seen a handful of breakthrough moments in my life - I think this will be remembered as one.

I don't think the device itself is a breakthrough, the issue beforehand was that tissue in the brain tries to heal from the implant, it can be lethal, I don't know what they're doing to have a PERMANENT implant, completely stop that area from "healing" so tht the implant doesn't become a legitimate hazard.

The main issues with previous BCIs were that the electrodes were larger, less flexible, and not as biocompatible. This caused scar tissue to form around the electrodes, degrading the quality of the signals and eventually making the device useless. Neuralink has apparently reduced scar tissue formation enough that the implant receives usable signals for years. Neuralink also uses far more electrodes, improving signal quality and adding redundancy. The number of electrodes necessitates the use of a robot to place them. The robot is programmed to avoid blood vessels, which also reduces bleeding and scarring.

It will be quite a while before we know if they've managed to mitigate the issues enough to last a lifetime (and support upgrades), but it's better than previous devices.

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s fair I suppose but it’s probably giving more credit to Musk than he deserves. The real work is all being done by researchers who are drastically more knowledgeable about all of this than he is. He’s wise to invest in these sorts of ideas though and deserves credit for that.

Yeah those researchers would be aimlessly rotting in academia if he didn’t fund risky, out there stuff like this. I can’t name anyone else among his peers who spends their wealth on anything even remotely civilizationally beneficial.

Okay.

Re: Neuralink patient controls games by thinking during interview

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I haven't followed Neuralink too closely since it was announced, so I was not expecting to see what I just saw. I've seen a handful of breakthrough moments in my life - I think this will be remembered as one.

Why would this be remembered as a breakthrough? Playing games with a BCI is many years old at this point. Here is an article from 2020 talking about playing Sonic the Hedgehog, amongst other games [1]. Here he is fist bumping President Obama in 2016 with a brain controlled robot arm.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2020/12/16/brain-...

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