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USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by asdajksah2123 »

lolinder wrote: post #42
CoastalCoder wrote: post #30

Honest question: is this evidence of worsening QA at Apple, or a consequence of OS X growing a longer tail of old and varied hardware? E.g., how does this compare to the rate of equivalent problems with large Windows releases?

Alternatively, is this evidence of a changing news cycle that is spending more time on the always-present background noise of social media complaints about updates? Do we perceive the rate of failure to be higher because news these days often takes the form of "let's summarize some reddit threads" and outlets realized that warnings about errors when updating software reliably get clicks?

Yes, because Apple can do no wrong.

You ask any long time macOS/OSX user and they will point to Apple software quality worsening well before anything comes up in the news media.

Heck, I'm in the camp that thinks Apple OSX software quality peaked at Snow Leopard and it has been all downhill since then, and this camp is massive.

I doubt we're being influenced by the "media".

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by cqqxo4zV46cp »

corytheboyd wrote: post #16
beeboobaa wrote: post #3

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Still massively prefer it to Windows when those are the only two choices (picking a work computer). Apple has been fucking these updates up more often than they used to though, that’s for sure. They’re still just a tech company behind all the fancy marketing sheen. Disappointing, but not surprising.

I don’t think that literally anybody is on the other side of the point you’re making. In fact, it is commonplace for other ‘tech companies’ to copy Apple’s marketing aesthetic. This has been the case for well over a decade now. You’re arguing against a fanboy stereotype that has never /really/ existed, and certainly not now, certainly not here.

And let’s be honest, Microsoft is absolutely no stranger to releasing updates that break systems. Far far from it.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by mike_hearn »

shagie wrote: post #45
mike_hearn wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that on an M1? Apparently the Java issue only affects Apple silicon for some reason

From 2020 https://www.securemac.com/news/arm-macs-faq > Write XOR execute (W^X) > Apple Silicon Macs will enforce a restriction called “write XOR execute” (W^X). This means that chunks of memory will be designated as writable, or as executable, but never as both at the same time. Many macOS apps contain performance optimization programs that require memory to be both writable and executable, but this can lead to seri…

The JVM has worked fine on macOS and Apple Silicon for years. It's not violating W^X. The problem is an undocumented/unannounced and probably unintended change in kernel behavior.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by microtonal »

stingraycharles wrote: post #17

Ok since these types of threads are typically filled with complaints, just to add another data point: I’ve upgraded last week and have not experienced any problems at all. And yes, I’m using USB hubs, printers and even Java.

Me neither. The thing is that at the scale of an operating system like macOS or iOS is that even if only 1% of its users encounter an issue, it's still a lot of people. Enough to fill many discussion boards with complaints.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by [deleted] »

cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #82
corytheboyd wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still massively prefer it to Windows when those are the only two choices (picking a work computer). Apple has been fucking these updates up more often than they used to though, that’s for sure. They’re still just a tech company behind all the fancy marketing sheen. Disappointing, but not surprising.

I don’t think that literally anybody is on the other side of the point you’re making. In fact, it is commonplace for other ‘tech companies’ to copy Apple’s marketing aesthetic. This has been the case for well over a decade now. You’re arguing against a fanboy stereotype that has never /really/ existed, and certainly not now, certainly not here. And let’s be honest, Microsoft is absolutely no stranger to releasing upd…

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Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by mleo »

Centigonal wrote: post #2

Ever since updating last week, one of my two monitors (connected through a CalDigit USB-C dock) won't turn back on after inactivity. I have to open up System Settings, change the resolution for the monitor, and change it back every time I leave my macbook and come back.

If a resolution change fixes the issue, consider a short term fix of using displayplacer. It's a cli tool for updating resolution or placement of displays.

I use it in combination with Stream Deck/Keyboard Maestro to toggle the resolution of second monitor during Teams screen sharing to provide a lower resolution for display challenged colleagues.

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by thesuperbigfrog »

cqqxo4zV46cp wrote: post #70
prirun wrote: post #20

My upgrade to Monterey (MacOS 12.x) broke my Canon D530 printer driver. Re-installing the driver didn't help. Now I have to print to a PDF, copy that to an old Snow Leopard 10.6 machine, and print from there. FYI, Snow Leopard is 11 major OS revisions behind Monterey. Printing worked fine in Mohave, 3 major revisions ago. I also can't write any files to /, even with SIP disabled, and during the Monterey upgrade, Appl…

Speaking in terms of having “control” over your machine is alarmist and thought-terminating. Your computer didn’t do what you expected it to. Hell, you’re very justified to go beyond that and say that it behaved in a way that it shouldn’t. Removing files from / without notification or backup is bad. Not being able to have files in / is a completely superficial and meaningless indication of “control”. Again, your mach…

>> Your computer didn’t do what you expected it to. Hell, you’re very justified to go beyond that and say that it behaved in a way that it shouldn’t.

It did exactly what it was programmed to do. It was not a malfunction, it was intentional:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1AKIl_2GM&t=57s

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by microtonal »

wasyl wrote: post #79
CoastalCoder wrote: post #30

Honest question: is this evidence of worsening QA at Apple, or a consequence of OS X growing a longer tail of old and varied hardware? E.g., how does this compare to the rate of equivalent problems with large Windows releases?

I'd guess not the latter — anecdotally, my intel mac has been increasingly sluggish after each macos upgrade, even after a clean install. I finally decided to revert to the oldest macos version possible (and then update by just one major version since unfortunately some apps I need don't support Catalina anymore) and the difference is night and day — my memory was right and my laptop _was_ faster before. And it's not…

I don't know if older macs are intentionally crippled or they're just ignored during QA,

More likely neither. Software just becomes larger and more complex and thus slower on older hardware.

(My 2021 MacBook Pro 14" is still lightning-fast though, I never wait for anything.)

Re: USB hubs, printers, Java, and more seemingly broken by macOS 14.4 update

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Post by switch007 »

wasyl wrote: post #79
CoastalCoder wrote: post #30

Honest question: is this evidence of worsening QA at Apple, or a consequence of OS X growing a longer tail of old and varied hardware? E.g., how does this compare to the rate of equivalent problems with large Windows releases?

I'd guess not the latter — anecdotally, my intel mac has been increasingly sluggish after each macos upgrade, even after a clean install. I finally decided to revert to the oldest macos version possible (and then update by just one major version since unfortunately some apps I need don't support Catalina anymore) and the difference is night and day — my memory was right and my laptop _was_ faster before. And it's not…

My intel MacBook lags in such a predictable and constant way, as if a process is running constantly at 99% CPU. Makes me a bit suspicious

How much have they /really/ added to the OS (which is enabled on my hardware) and consuming extra resources?

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