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Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by cdme »

joshstrange wrote: post #62
cdme wrote: post #22

Couldn’t be less interested — art is interesting for its human qualities. This is pointless dreck.

You don’t see any value in someone who can do part of writing music/lyrics, but not all of it, using this tool to complete the aspect that they’re not skilled at? I mean that’s where AI shines for me, letting 1 person (or few people) accomplish what would have required teams of skilled people to do. It’s the same story with tech in general. I write code that runs on web/android/iOS that has processed over a half a mi…

I don't. No. I can understand drum programming, which is leveraged by one of my favorite solo death metal artists (though he hired a live drummer when budget permitted).

There's a thought and intentionality to what's being created — I don't want what comes out of a prompt.

I want to follow artists and their output, not an algorithm or AI that mimics ones and is trained by questionably feeding on their output.

No, none of this is appealing. I can't control what anyone else does, but for me? No, no thanks.

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by AirMax98 »

I remember working in a record store about a decade ago and coming to the conclusion that 99% of our (very large/broad) catalog was, to me, terrible music that I would prefer to have never, ever heard. Us warehouse guys would listen to all the new tracks as they came in during our receiving shifts, which sounds nice on paper, but really was much closer to 8 hours of punishment. Lots of really terrible execution of even worse ideas — algorithmic renditions of real books, half-assed dub reggae covers of classic rock songs, note-for-note European remixes of zombified disco classics. We had a saying: "most music is bad".

It's great hearing the dreadful output of this infernal contraption named "Suno" and being reminded specifically of this bittersweet time in my youth, but also broadly of how difficult it is to make memorable, sweet music, and how precious that can be.

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by Jensson »

Pine_Mushroom wrote: post #69
Jensson wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> most genres are more formulaic than people want to believe. The biggest crime is copyrighting the best intro chord sequences in the 1960's, and since then everyone has to make slight variations or they would be called out for copying. We can't make good music today due to copyrights...

Chord sequences are not subject to copyright.

What else stops people from playing the first 10 seconds from a song? Its just a few chords in a sequence. The reason I've heard people don't do that is that they will get a copyright strike.

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by thomassmith65 »

cdme wrote: post #22

Couldn’t be less interested — art is interesting for its human qualities. This is pointless dreck.

The most truly 'human' music is a group of people chanting in unison, maybe stamping feet and clapping hands. It's unlikely we had instruments for most of our evolution. There's no evidence we had complex harmony nor even chords for most of the existence of our species.

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by Eager »

mstipetic wrote: post #74
Eager wrote: post #54

I have been playing with it for the last couple of weeks. I do a lot of traditional music production for fun and was wondering how I could use Suno together with Leonardo for video and then bring it all together in my existing tools. Here are some examples. I wrote the lyrics by hand and the music has been reinforced with my existing studio equipment. For me, that is where the gold is. Not replacing myself, but exten…

All the sounds always sound so blurred together, as if there’s no space between the drum, bass, pad, melody, vocal etc layers

I agree in especially the first one. It was quite a challenge from the original content as the bitrate is quite low still, and in that particular case it was quite severely compressed. I had to dig quite deep to get the headroom back.

The last one was my first attempt.

I think the middle one is okay considering. By the time I got to that I had figured out how to get Suno to create multiple takes with much more open mixes, which left me a lot more latitude in the studio.

I expect I will get better at it, and I don't doubt the compression artifacts and the rest will improve.

To me at least, it is quite impressive where we are at. A ways to go, but very promising.

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by microtherion »

edgyquant wrote: post #61
numbsafari wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s also very much not 90s or hip-hop

Yeah I noticed this too. I spent a lot of credits trying to get a song to sound like early black flag, even outright saying an 80s hardcore punk band with rough male vocals and a fast paced beat, and it only ever sounded like a 90s pop punk bank eg blink 182. Had a similar issue trying to create a reggae song that sounds like the Maytals, every song either sounded like a female hip hop artist or rebelution.

If you prompt for "metal", it seems to always end up with hair metal. Prompts for "death metal" do sound somewhat harsher, though.

And "jazz" songs are generated with rather-unjazzy song forms (No AABA to be found). Asking for "hardbop", you still get generic hold music jazz.

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by cdme »

taberiand wrote: post #53
cdme wrote: post #22

Couldn’t be less interested — art is interesting for its human qualities. This is pointless dreck.

I predict people will soon be saying this while lauding "human art" that they don't realise is completely AI generated.

No, this is filler generated by and for people that never appreciated music in the first place.

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by chefandy »

friend_and_foe wrote: post #55
m3kw9 wrote: post #17

Music with no soul, it would be like eating fake meat that tasted very real. Not bad if you weren’t told before hand

To be fair, most commercialized music is formulaic, the only difference is that people had to be paid to record it. I think the biggest problem with AI generated stuff is that the I in AI is hype, these things can't create real novelty. They're a new, poorly understood form of compression. If creativity is left to these AIs then the music will sound the same in 20 years at best, or more likely, degrade/converge when…

Lots of art techniques-- e.g. a basic set of shapes to help draw heads with correct proportions-- are formulaic. That doesn't make them any less artistic than someone just throwing down marks based on their gut instinct. Music itself has been boiled down to a mathematical and artistic scaffolding that people have worked within for centuries. There are also a whole hell of a lot of creative decisions in between the sheet music and the finished product: instrumentation and all of the subtleties that go into it, recording itself is SO deep and heavily affects the outcome, everything that goes into post production to add all of the color and texture that makes it great... even within recording it, do you know how many hours people spend pouring over really great studio takes because they all land a little differently? This just takes what other people have already done and mushes it together. Is it interesting? Interesting as hell. Could it be useful to people making art? I'm a commercial artist in a different realm and generative AI has been very useful in generating specific references or doing some sort of concept test instead of sketching it out. It could be used as a tool to help make art, but is it making art? Not by any definition I think makes sense. The idea that this is just an incremental step in current commercial music production is only possible if you don't actually know what it takes to make it. The very same thing is true of video games, TV& movies, graphic design, etc. etc. etc.

Re: Suno, an AI music generator

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Post by emporas »

eman2d wrote: post #39

"OpenAI faces multiple lawsuits over ChatGPT’s use of books, news articles, and other copyrighted material in its vast corpus of training data. Suno’s founders decline to reveal details of just what data they’re shoveling into their own model, other than the fact that its ability to generate convincing human vocals comes in part because it’s learning from recordings of speech, in addition to music." Surely they own t…

That happens with art in general.

British museums are full of ancient Greek and Egyptian statues, even a New York museum will not return mammoth bones to it's Canadian owner and excavator, thousands of them.

If you are not ok with everyone stealing art and ideas from everybody, everywhere all over the world, all the time, you will get used to it at some point.

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