Live data from Hacker News

FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried Should Serve 40 to 50 Years in Prison, Prosecutors Say

wsj.com

81–90 of 132 posts

Re: FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried Should Serve 40 to 50 Years in Prison, Prosecutors Say

#81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That one's silly too. Unless someone is so damaged they're not capable of ever not harming others, (think psychopathic murderers) what's the point of sentences that long? Anything past 15 years or so effectively destroys their existing lives anyway. I think that crosses from punishment to unnecessary cruelty and stuffing prisons.

Yes prisons, notorious for being over populated with those who ruined the lives of hundreds of people through multi billion dollar financial crimes.

There are no prisons dedicated explicitly to those people, so I'm not sure what are you talking about here.

Re: FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried Should Serve 40 to 50 Years in Prison, Prosecutors Say

#82

That’s silly in my opinion. I didn’t see any of the actual big wigs go to prison for 2008 but Sam is an easy target with the dual effect of vilifying cryptocurrencies.

2008 was caused by the confluence of irresponsible political AND financial decisions. Irresponsible and illegal aren't the same thing.

Re: FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried Should Serve 40 to 50 Years in Prison, Prosecutors Say

#83

Based on how he was acting during trial, I assume he still thinks he's somehow getting out of this.

I am so confused by his weird persona.

Obviously he has to be smart, you don't make a multi-billion dollar company/fraud without being incredibly smart, but doesn't that generally mean an acceptance of reality?

He seems so disconnected from reality most of the time, like he is mentally ill almost.

Re: FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried Should Serve 40 to 50 Years in Prison, Prosecutors Say

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you give us a name of one or two big wigs that in your opinion should've gotten 40-50 years in prison due to 2008?

All of them would be a good start.

You can't just mass imprison your enemies because they made you upset.

Re: FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried Should Serve 40 to 50 Years in Prison, Prosecutors Say

#85

Based on how he was acting during trial, I assume he still thinks he's somehow getting out of this.

I am so confused by his weird persona. Obviously he has to be smart, you don't make a multi-billion dollar company/fraud without being incredibly smart, but doesn't that generally mean an acceptance of reality? He seems so disconnected from reality most of the time, like he is mentally ill almost.

That’s his act, so he doesn’t have to serve a full sentence.

Re: FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried Should Serve 40 to 50 Years in Prison, Prosecutors Say

#86
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes prisons, notorious for being over populated with those who ruined the lives of hundreds of people through multi billion dollar financial crimes.

That's the point, uniquely unsympathetic people get sentences that are about making us feel good for handing them out. Add in Madoff's victims being rich and connected and you get 150 years.

Most of Madoff's victims were middle-class. Very few were rich. None were connected.

He was still getting away with the scam for years after the allegations started spreading.

Re: FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried Should Serve 40 to 50 Years in Prison, Prosecutors Say

#87

Based on how he was acting during trial, I assume he still thinks he's somehow getting out of this.

I am so confused by his weird persona. Obviously he has to be smart, you don't make a multi-billion dollar company/fraud without being incredibly smart, but doesn't that generally mean an acceptance of reality? He seems so disconnected from reality most of the time, like he is mentally ill almost.

"I reject your reality and substitute my own." I think you have to be smart to become truly nuts.

Re: FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried Should Serve 40 to 50 Years in Prison, Prosecutors Say

#89
post #9
post #4

I'm curious if anyone has any idea - how much money is actually unaccounted for? Michael Lewis's book makes it seem like the money existed, but was all over the place, and that by the time all was said and done, they were basically in the black. But that was assuming investments didn't ever grow - they still had to have lost money somehow.

Wasn’t the issue that the “money” that was left was actually in the form of largely worthless cryptocurrency investments, some of which were issued by FTX themselves.

Which seems kinda silly. People willingly traded their USD for garbage that wasn't worth anything, and put their money into accounts any reasonable person would think is worthless.

He was really just serving a market for people trying to put their money into valueless garbage

Re: FTX's Sam Bankman-Fried Should Serve 40 to 50 Years in Prison, Prosecutors Say

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His crimes are closer to those of Bernie Madoff than, say, Jamie Dimon. Madoff was sentenced to 150 years.

That one's silly too. Unless someone is so damaged they're not capable of ever not harming others, (think psychopathic murderers) what's the point of sentences that long? Anything past 15 years or so effectively destroys their existing lives anyway. I think that crosses from punishment to unnecessary cruelty and stuffing prisons.

> what's the point of sentences that long?

Deterrence and retribution.

On incapacitation, however, can you really not see Bankman-Fried leaving prison in his forties and doing anything but running out to raise new capital? His position throughout the trial seemed to genuinely convey that he didn’t think he did wrong.

Post reply on HN