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OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Post by fishbash »

tptacek wrote: post #59
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #15

I'm not necessarily saying they're wrong, but there's really no way to put out a release like this without a "history is written by the victors" vibe coming across.

He pretty clearly won. There's not much to it. A huge chunk of the company went into open revolt and he got a competing offer that threatened to recruit all of them. There's nothing really underhanded or sneaky about it: the board drastically overplayed their hand, and all Altman and Brockman had to do was say "I call". To use the parlance of this community of people: people's priors here all seem to be that somethin…

I respect a lot of your comments on this site, but this one says nothing of substance. All you've done is repeat high-level facts that everyone knows and tried to shift suspicion in the opposite direction without providing any real basis for it.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Post by flatline »

tptacek wrote: post #59
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #15

I'm not necessarily saying they're wrong, but there's really no way to put out a release like this without a "history is written by the victors" vibe coming across.

He pretty clearly won. There's not much to it. A huge chunk of the company went into open revolt and he got a competing offer that threatened to recruit all of them. There's nothing really underhanded or sneaky about it: the board drastically overplayed their hand, and all Altman and Brockman had to do was say "I call". To use the parlance of this community of people: people's priors here all seem to be that somethin…

Or the more cynical take that this is the natural course all parties take when they discover themselves atop a large pile of money. The board was just outmaneuvered.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Post by lotsofpulp »

tptacek wrote: post #59
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #15

I'm not necessarily saying they're wrong, but there's really no way to put out a release like this without a "history is written by the victors" vibe coming across.

He pretty clearly won. There's not much to it. A huge chunk of the company went into open revolt and he got a competing offer that threatened to recruit all of them. There's nothing really underhanded or sneaky about it: the board drastically overplayed their hand, and all Altman and Brockman had to do was say "I call". To use the parlance of this community of people: people's priors here all seem to be that somethin…

> but the strat the board took here was so obviously doomed that they should probably be looking for hypos about the board being shady.

Is it possible the interests of the employees align more with the interests of Altman and that they diverged from the rest of the Board (which the Board did not expect)?

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

kmeisthax wrote: post #27
minimaxir wrote: post #14

The conclusion just raises further questions on why the coup happened, other than a "consequence of a breakdown in the relationship and loss of trust between the prior Board and Mr. Altman".

The answer is that Altman tried to get the Board removed, the Board found out and snap fired him, which scared the shit out of Microsoft. The prior and new Boards both cannot make the allegation that Altman tried to commit a corporate coup, albeit for different reasons[0], so we're never going to get official confirmation of anything. My prediction is that Altman will, unmoored from any sort of accountability, wind u…

Why was Brockman removed from board and demoted? For Sam, I could think of 100 reasons.

And why didn't board tell this to anyone in the company after accusing Sam in the PR. Board members were so publicly humiliated and I find it weird that they just sat there in silence but at the same not giving up. Their career is surely affected by this unprofessional behavior.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Post by dekhn »

liuliu wrote: post #42
philip1209 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“When you strike at a king, you must kill him.”

You cannot kill an immortal.

That's not correct. Immortals can be killed, they just don't die of old age or disease (I am basing this on an amalgamation of many immortals). In the greek pantheon, the gods ate ambrosia which made their blood into ichor, and if they lost their ichor, they could die.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Post by gkoberger »

InvestorType wrote: post #84

Interesting they chose 3 more left leaning board members. Surprising an AI-focused company wouldn't have more diversity of perspective at the governance level.

What things do you think a conservative board member would bring that's currently missing? A distaste for big government? Interest in trickle-down economics? Or is this just a weird way of saying OpenAI should be more comfortable indulging in racism and homophobia? Because there's one "right-leaning" major AI (Grok), and as far as I can tell that's the only differentiating feature.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Post by nostrademons »

jorl17 wrote: post #78
nostrademons wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, Steve Jobs would need to be alive for that, and they haven't come out with iResurrection yet. The public hasn't really thrown themselves into reverence for Apple since the last Jobs product announcement. Even the Apple Watch's reception was kinda lukewarm. They make good hardware, but they aren't cool hype machines the way they were a decade+ ago.

What about Apple Silicon? Not a product per se, but...

I think the reaction to it was qualitatively different from the iPhone or even iPod/iPad. The M1 is a great chip, and everybody acknowledged it as a great chip. Nobody claimed it would create a whole new category of products, or a whole new ecosystem. Nobody quit their job to become an M1 developer. Nobody started forking out hundreds of dollar per hour for people who did.

In Clayton Christenson terms, it was a sustaining innovation rather than a disruptive one.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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Post by goatlover »

rain_iwakura wrote: post #72
baobabKoodaa wrote: post #47

In all the possible timelines, there is no universe in which the review concluded wrongdoing on Altman's part and demanded his immediate removal. Trust me, I checked. In fact, I hired WilmerHale to review all 30,000 possible timelines. After paying them $2M in fees, they concluded that I was right all along.

damn we got a Kwisatz Haderach over here.

There is a narrow way through ... where the AIs don't lead to Kralizec.
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