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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Serious question: Can we presume he knew he was doing something wrong?
A Chinese national helping his country not fall behind in what's perceived as an existential race? Wrong?
No from his standpoint it’s good and I’d probably do the same. It’s Google who is wrong for having this person working for them and having such access.
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I'm not sure why you're asking me that. I made it clear from my comment that there's a distinction between legal and moral "wrong," and I described the unlikelihood that he didn't know it was the former. That's all.
What's legal is not constant in space and time. I bet the only thing he thought he didn't do right is not get out of the US in time. Then it would have been both legal and moral for him.
If he felt that he had to "get out in time," then he knew he did something "wrong" in the sense that my parent is (presumably) asking about. That's the only question I'm answering. You seem intent on drawing me into a debate about subtleties of moral and legal ethics, but I'm sorry to say I'm not interested right now.
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It did go unnoticed though, for years. According to the indictment nobody detected this until the employee moved sensitive data out of Google and into a personal account while in the PRC. Even then they did not really figure it out until the person resigned.
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Yeah, certainly a parody. C’mon (L5 900k TC)? It doesn’t even pass the initial smell test.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course he did. How could he not know taken documents and giving to a competing company wasn’t a violation? Need more locks on this kind of stuff. Should all uploads and content transmissions out of network require an approval by default? Difficult to say it but it needs to be considered
> Should all uploads and content transmissions be locked for employees with foreign ties to an adversarial country? Profiling works. Profiling is abhorrent to most people in 1st world countries, but it works exceedingly well. If the hire is from an adversarial country, they should not only be locked but on a watch list. Our 3 letter organizations should be proactive toward information security. We're in the Informati…
It's a lot more nuanced than that. Racial profiling only works if it's impossible for an adversary to recruit a member who doesn't match the profile.
$ says that won't happen.
Information security meanwhile, doesn't need profiling because it applies to everyone.
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Obvious satire; and not particularly good or funny satire either. It tries too hard to be offensive and transgressive without really pulling it off. Like a parody of Google / Silicon Valley corporate speak written by someone who is not fluent?
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#90So he was already CEO/CTO of 2 China companies while still working in google. And these information are publicly available right after he registering them. Seems a management disaster of google.
> What is Article 7 of the Chinese Intelligence law? > Article seven says in part that “All organizations and citizens shall support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence efforts in accordance with law, and shall protect national intelligence work secrets they are aware of. And that's just a nice wording to make it official, russians don't have anything similar yet they keep bribing small and big people a…
They can't "give up their nationality". Chinese government's position is that once Chinese always Chinese, and emmigrating doesn't affect that. They will still come after your family on mainland. Or use their "local police" forces stationed in most western countries to harass you in your new location.