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Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

throwaway88409 wrote: post #42
dmitrygr wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plastic bottles weigh less and can be made thinner. Transportation costs dominate the cost of most consumables

Transport cost is one factor, but even in countries where glass bottles are sold alongside plastic ones they are unpopular to the end user themselves because of their inconvenience. The common 2kg×6 PET bottles format is too heavy for glass bottles, so you end up paying more for heavier 1.5kgx6 bottles that are going to last you less.

Now check the price per litre and ask your decision makers to introduce a deposit system for glass and plastic bottles.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by rad_gruchalski »

fendy3002 wrote: post #18
b112 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which sort of highlights local vs national production and shipping. The local milkman of the 50s, did better with glass collecting and delivering milk. The national enterprise benefits, as you say, from weight reduction.

And as the cost of workforce increase, or in order to generate even more profit, using plastics enables industrial automation and removal of the delivery workforce.

German Flaschenpost kindly disagrees.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

globular-toast wrote: post #59
lp4vn wrote: post #4

Very nice. I live alone and often I'm baffled by the sheer amount of garbage that my urban lifestyle generates. I was not alive in the 80's but I was told that people used to use more environment-friendly packaging like glass bottles. Sometimes I wonder why this massive change to everything-should-be-packed-in-plastic happened.

The glass bottles of Heinz are available right next to the plastic ones. So in the case of ketchup at least I think people choose the plastic ones.

not where I live - Heinz and the major local brand here (Idun, I think?) tend to sell only in plastic bottles.

I can sometimes find fancy ketchup in glass bottles, but considering that I only buy ketchup once or twice a year, I just can't remember. The glass bottle available isn't the Mutti ketchup that I bought years ago, so I'm just buying Heinz.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by Neil44 »

My grandad worked for Heinz in the big 57 factory. When I was a student he used to get me loads of cans of food, all without labels, you had to just know the little codes stamped on top to know if it was sponge pudding or chicken soup. I don't think they stamp the codes in the metal any more.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by diggan »

thrdbndndn wrote: post #80
lp4vn wrote: post #4

Very nice. I live alone and often I'm baffled by the sheer amount of garbage that my urban lifestyle generates. I was not alive in the 80's but I was told that people used to use more environment-friendly packaging like glass bottles. Sometimes I wonder why this massive change to everything-should-be-packed-in-plastic happened.

> I wonder why this massive change to everything-should-be-packed-in-plastic happened I don't get why people keep pretending plastic being widely used today is due to some conspiracy instead of it's just better at its main function, even without factoring in cost. Compared to glass container, plastic ones are much lighter, harder to break, flexible, malleable, .. the list goes on. In the 1980s, the use of glass conta…

> I don't get why people keep pretending plastic being widely used today is due to some conspiracy instead of it's just better at its main function, even without factoring in cost.

I don't know how you read parents comment and concluded that they're talking about some conspiracy. They seem to genuinely ask a question that I'm sure they're not the only one thinking about.

> In 80's people use more glass containers because they didn't have choices, not because they love to carry heavy glass containers around to help the environment.

Again, don't think they said that people used glass containers back then to help the environment, just that for whatever reason they used those containers, it was less harmful to the environment. Not because that was the reason, that was just a side-effect of glass being the only choice. Then they ask the community what the reasons could be for everything being wrapped in plastic now.

As it reads right now, your comment doesn't seem to assume good faith of parent comment, but instead you're arguing against some position that isn't even talked about.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by rightbyte »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #32
kostko wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your lifestyle does not generate garbage. Companies that sell non recyclables and non compostsbles generate garbage. Why hasnt cocacola replaced their plastics with something compostable? There are new inventions for replacing plastics out each day, I wonder where those inventions end up.

Recyclable is a scam perpetuated by the plastic industry. You should be using reusable glass which is expensive to replace but cheap to refill.

Where I live only restaurants can buy glass bottle soda. It is quite sad, since I like those. They are way nicer to drink from.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by AlecSchueler »

lp4vn wrote: post #4

Very nice. I live alone and often I'm baffled by the sheer amount of garbage that my urban lifestyle generates. I was not alive in the 80's but I was told that people used to use more environment-friendly packaging like glass bottles. Sometimes I wonder why this massive change to everything-should-be-packed-in-plastic happened.

Plastic is essentially a byproduct of fuel production. My understand is that a lot of companies will pay others to take that plastic off their hands. Not only is it cheaper to use plastic than glass, it's positively subsidised.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by rightbyte »

rolisz wrote: post #65
seszett wrote: post #47

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> I go through a 64 gallon trash bin a week. That seems absurdly large to me. 64 gallons is 250 litres. We're four and we use about one 30 litres (8 gallons) bag for "rest" trash per week (everything not recyclable, including diapers which take a lot of space, so hopefully soon we can at least halve that trash volume) one 30 litres bag for recyclable plastic/metal every two weeks and maybe one 30 litres bag for compo…

Also family of four: we fill a 120l garbage bin per week, to the brim, and a 120l compost bin every two weeks (this one maybe is not full, but it stinks by that time) and a ton of "recyclables" (cardboard, paper, metals, plastics).

Do you put garden waste (bushes, grass) in the compost bin? Otherwise it feels an order of magnitude off.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by AlecSchueler »

radicaldreamer wrote: post #32
kostko wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your lifestyle does not generate garbage. Companies that sell non recyclables and non compostsbles generate garbage. Why hasnt cocacola replaced their plastics with something compostable? There are new inventions for replacing plastics out each day, I wonder where those inventions end up.

Recyclable is a scam perpetuated by the plastic industry. You should be using reusable glass which is expensive to replace but cheap to refill.

> a scam perpetuated by the plastic industry

What does this actually mean and what are you basing it on? Without any sources or references it reads a bit like FUD.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by chickenchase-r »

huytersd wrote: post #29
petepete wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the 80s in the UK we had milk delivered every morning in glass bottles by a huge fleet of electric vehicles. The empty bottles were left out, collected by the milkman, sterilised and reused. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_float

When my parents were kids in Asia they used to get all their club soda delivered in cartons in glass bottles that had a little glass ball in it to hold in the carbonation. You then pushed the glass ball down to open it up. They would then sterilize and reuse those and the glass ball would self seal once carbonated again. What a really nice, fully reusable bottle with no waste at all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod…

the seal is waste depending what it is made of. ramune uses some kind of plasticy stuff, for example
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