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Re: JSTOR is Now Available in 1k Prisons

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Post by nonrandomstring »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #70
shagie wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In many cases, the government is prohibited from providing certain things to people convicted of crimes at tax payer expense. This then means that the government has to go to third parties and contract with them to provide those goods and charge the people using them. For example, an ankle monitor - the state can't provide it and give it to the person for supervision and so the third parties who make them have a capt…

> It must run on batteries Are you allowed batteries in your cell if you're in your cell for battery? (sorry for the potential to polarise the discussion)

Ah, you humour police are just being negative

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Post by magnoliakobus »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #69
aaroninsf wrote: post #56

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And, this success is measureable . Outcomes in terms of overall recidivism, and in total societal cost, just as in the case of universal health care, so great as to make the American disposition appear not just irrational but willfully counterproductive. This country in its current formulation appears incapable of ever escaping the gravity of feverish Christian moralizing and the correlated vicious contempt for objec…

> feverish Christian moralizing I realise that Christianity in the USA _means_ (to the average American) something almost unrecognisable to me as an Englishman. But if we're talking about punitive prison systems don't you think that's a little harsh considering a central tenet is the forgiveness of sins .

That tenet is unfortunately lost on many people in America who are often the most vocal about their faith.

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Post by slt2021 »

mindslight wrote: post #59
slt2021 wrote: post #53

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Nordic model works in Nordic countries because there are Nordic people with a singular race and culture and it works for them. One could argue that deterrence should be a major factor just because of demographics of US prison system. For example look at Singapore/Indonesia/Philippines and how they solved drug trafficking problem. US for sure could learn a lot from Singapore Rehabilitation already exists for minor cri…

No, doubling down on the already arbitrary and capricious criminalization of consciousness-affecting chemicals, especially with the death penalty , is not something the US should learn from. I've never been big into hard drugs and I don't even really drink these days, but I still recognize that such laws are an affront to my own personal freedom and a blight on the goal of law and order.

so 112,000 people died from fentanyl overdose, and it is affecting both poor, mid and high income people.

What will be court sentence for someone who stabbed 112,000 people? this is plain genocide, that US progressive liberals somehow allow to happen as "harm reduction" - while in fact it is harm increasing by spreading out everywhere

Re: JSTOR is Now Available in 1k Prisons

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Post by slt2021 »

kurikuri wrote: post #61
slt2021 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nordic model works in Nordic countries because there are Nordic people with a singular race and culture and it works for them. One could argue that deterrence should be a major factor just because of demographics of US prison system. For example look at Singapore/Indonesia/Philippines and how they solved drug trafficking problem. US for sure could learn a lot from Singapore Rehabilitation already exists for minor cri…

What are you going on about with your first and second sentences? Do you believe that people with different cultures/races cannot agree on a system of fair laws?

Singapore is diverse country of many cultures and they clearly figured out.

Problem is US - smart people dont go into politics, smart people self-select into high paying industries like tech or high frequency trading, and the local city/state politicians are mostly liberal arts types, who are not familiar with STEM or are plain ideologues with their own agenda.

what is lacking in the US is political will to solve problem and too many decentralized decision makers who are not on the same page.

District attorney may be prosecuting criminal, but then judge just lets him loose back on the streets - like what happens to hondos in San Fransicko

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Post by vincnetas »

parhamn wrote: post #33
aeturnum wrote: post #29

Obviously this brings up the horrible unfairness of Aaron Swartz's treatment, but before you move on I encourage you to further get upset about the entire US prison system. Prisoners are charged high fees for access to basic resources[1]. There is a whole industry in "providing" services to prisoners at lower quality and higher cost. This goes against any notion of just punishment. Consider pushing back against the p…

> This goes against any notion of just punishment. Do you have a good explanation for this? I haven't though about prisoner rights much. The obvious layman view of this is "the whole prison thing is about restricting access to resources"

depends what is your idea of prison. is this a way to punish a person or to rehabilitate him. if it is to punish then then this looks like vicious cycle.

Re: JSTOR is Now Available in 1k Prisons

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Post by vincnetas »

ethbr1 wrote: post #65
aaroninsf wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And, this success is measureable . Outcomes in terms of overall recidivism, and in total societal cost, just as in the case of universal health care, so great as to make the American disposition appear not just irrational but willfully counterproductive. This country in its current formulation appears incapable of ever escaping the gravity of feverish Christian moralizing and the correlated vicious contempt for objec…

Honestly, approaching problems empirically and routing around moralizing is one of my great hopes for AI. If it's a black box, nobody can fan outrage that it's not doing {insert moral but maladaptive thing}.

people do not need a valid or logical reason to be outraged ;)
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