There's fortunately no need to use any apple products. The ones most hurt by this will probably be Apple. Especially if functionality breaks as stated here. It will mean the 'luxury phone brand' is now a broken phone brand at least in the EU. Apple users might switch and I think Samsung is most likely to get them.
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thank you! I hate when articles use acronyms and never actually expand what they mean - I read the entire article without any clue what PWAs actually are.
I agree, it's a bad writing practice. And it's very simple to be completely unambiguous - just use the complete phrase the first time. So in this case, the tagline could just be "Decoding Apple's Desperate Ploy To Scuttle Progressive Web Applications", and then, if people see PWA, they can decipher it themselves. But of course this seems to be a personal blog, so much of it is up to personal taste, as it should be.
I totally agree. For this person, it's surely obvious. They probably didn't expect this to become a popular read on HN.
Do you remember when ai used to stand for 'artificial insemination'? Lol.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just look at the timing. And there is a simple solution too: just offer multiple browsers in the appstore.
It's not about browsers. It's about OS APIs that browsers need to support PWAs. Apple is killing those APIs so that other browsers cannot offer PWAs.
That's what I meant: they could continue offering safari as a "basic web browser" but allow actual web browsers in the appstore, that can fully implement any web APIs.
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The 7 day limit only applies to third-party cookies / storage, that has nothing to do with progressive web apps.
That’s incorrect. See the section Capped Lifetime For All Script-Writeable Website Data : https://webkit.org/blog/9521/intelligent-tracking-prevention...
That's only for tracking-related cookies/storage as detected by Safari, regular cookies e.g. for authentication or storage of app-related data are not affected by this at all.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
You do not need root on android to install a .apk file. I see too many people thinking iOS and Android are on equal starting ground. Android out of the box is fairly close to jailbroken iOS. Very few things require root.
If we're getting technical you don't need to jailbreak to sideload on iOS either. AltStore automates the tedium but you can side load just fine on iOS too (for now).
With a 7 day expiration, max of 3 apps. It's more of a "developer account lite" testing tool than a bona fide sideloading mechanism.
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#86I hope the EU calls them on this and mandates that they offer equivalent OS API support for 3rd party browsers to implement PWAs to what Safari had at the time their initial ruling was made. Let's then watch how fast Apple restores PWA capabilities to Safari when web sites are actively encouraging users to install third party browsers so that PWA's keep working.
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#87There's fortunately no need to use any apple products. The ones most hurt by this will probably be Apple. Especially if functionality breaks as stated here. It will mean the 'luxury phone brand' is now a broken phone brand at least in the EU. Apple users might switch and I think Samsung is most likely to get them.
that would be nice but when Apple dropped Flash it was Flash that died
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#88I don’t use any PWA’s and I am not so sympathetic from claims of harm from removing/deprecating PWA’s without some data on the size and impact of this change. Xbox Gamepass presumably would be the largest one/best example, is that how they ask people on iOS to stream games?
> I don’t use any PWA’s and I am not so sympathetic from claims of harm from removing/deprecating PWA’(...)
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well.. Yea. Sure. But saying "you cannot" is very different from "you need a mac".
But this is exactly the kind of behaviour targeted by the DMA. Artificial restrictions in the functionality of iphone are inserted to drive sales of an unrelated product. It's page one of the Monopolist Playbook.
Maintaining a developer toolkit for Windows and Linux is a major hurdle.
If they intentionally prevent a third party Xcode-compatible implementation from existing, that’s monopolistic behavior. If they don’t want to provide it themselves, it’s a rightful business choice and theirs to make, in my book.
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#90I think removing persistent storage and the ability to add websites to the home screen makes it obvious what their strategy is. The EU shows that they want interoperability for big players like they do with messenger interoperability in the DMA. The web is such a fundamental standard and its interoperability is so important I guess the EU will fine Apple for such behavior. The question is how soon this will happen.
> Removing persistent storage They aren’t making any policy changes relating to storage. Apple have been progressively locking down methods websites use to persistently track people for privacy reasons. All forms of permanent storage (e.g. cookies, local storage) are limited to a seven day lifetime unless the user interacts with that website / web app. If the user keeps visiting the website / web app at least once a…
They could just make cookies a user choice, but it's Apple we are talking about here, it's all about hard coding and hand holding.