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Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by 303uru »

emceestork wrote: post #31

I switched to Bluesky but then moved back to twitter. I'm glad that they are trying to compete with Twitter (Twitter is a conservative cesspool), but all of my non-technical friends have stayed on Twitter. So, I end up going where they are. I think the reason my friends did not join Bluesky despite me inviting them is that it just isn't as good of a product as Twitter. You can't post videos or DM. I am not a tech exe…

I've been using Bluesky for a week and I'm impressed. I actually appreciate that there is less media, it's more about conversation. So far it feels very much like Twitter before it became a cesspool. I'm conversing with local journalists, prominent scientists, sci-fi authors, etc... It's wonderful.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by emceestork »

pfraze wrote: post #41
emceestork wrote: post #31

I switched to Bluesky but then moved back to twitter. I'm glad that they are trying to compete with Twitter (Twitter is a conservative cesspool), but all of my non-technical friends have stayed on Twitter. So, I end up going where they are. I think the reason my friends did not join Bluesky despite me inviting them is that it just isn't as good of a product as Twitter. You can't post videos or DM. I am not a tech exe…

It's a fair point and we definitely debated it, but it was too important to us that we complete the mission.

Ah yeah, I get that. I don't mean to be cynical on the day you complete that mission.

Congrats on launching! Excited to see what y'all do next.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by sergiotapia »

emceestork wrote: post #31

I switched to Bluesky but then moved back to twitter. I'm glad that they are trying to compete with Twitter (Twitter is a conservative cesspool), but all of my non-technical friends have stayed on Twitter. So, I end up going where they are. I think the reason my friends did not join Bluesky despite me inviting them is that it just isn't as good of a product as Twitter. You can't post videos or DM. I am not a tech exe…

> Twitter is a conservative cesspool

I disagree. If anything now it's more balanced, every "right of Portland-liberal" is no longer hidden and shadow-banned or worse. I like it a lot more!

Now you can actually read and learn about stuff you care about.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by jeroenhd »

Arathorn wrote: post #47
tamimio wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bluesky has a Matrix dev group (afaik it’s an official one) why not use that too in addition to Discord (or other comms channels)?

Unfortunately they declared they didn't have moderation bandwidth to maintain it as an official channel, and then apparently moved to Discord :(

I'm a little confused by this, how did switching to Discord reduce the load on their moderators?

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by emllnd »

tamimio wrote: post #18

>You need to join Discord to access the feature Seriously?! Will this trend ever dies?! I don’t want to use discord, can’t they just make a simple request form? Whenever I see “join our discord” for anything in any service I just never use that service, keep it as an option for whoever wants to hangout there just don’t make it the “only” channel of communication!

What would you like to see instead for groupchat-style quick low-threshold discussion?

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by micromacrofoot »

steveklabnik wrote: post #69
micromacrofoot wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what binds this? I have no interest in joining if Jack can sell to Elon again and a switch gets flipped

That specific scenario is impossible, in my understanding, because Jack does not have an ownership stake in the company. This release, of federation, is in my mind a major answer to the real question you're asking, which is the same but with "the employees" instead of "Jack," as they have the equity stake. Once things are federated, other folks gain power over the protocol, by virtue of usage. If Bluesky PBLLC starts…

Right I didn't mean to get into the business aspect, but essentially "what prevents someone from undoing this for money." Thanks for the detail.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

numpad0 wrote: post #46

Bluesky is starting to look like an elaborate reboot of Mastodon with a fancy username redirect, but I'm guessing its technical aspects, while those are series of great achievements, were not the crucial part to its success so far; the part that worked was community building. Nostr worked to some extent despite existence of Mastodon because Mastodon bodged that part. Mastodon took off because Twitter broke its commun…

> Bluesky's successes is really making me feel that the first S of the abbreviation S.N.S. do stand for what it stands.

There's tons of alternate social media out there. Forums, Subreddits, Tildes, Discourse, Matrix, IRC, Mastodon, Lemmy, Usenet, and on and on. The truth is the S in SNS is always what social networks have been about.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

emceestork wrote: post #31

I switched to Bluesky but then moved back to twitter. I'm glad that they are trying to compete with Twitter (Twitter is a conservative cesspool), but all of my non-technical friends have stayed on Twitter. So, I end up going where they are. I think the reason my friends did not join Bluesky despite me inviting them is that it just isn't as good of a product as Twitter. You can't post videos or DM. I am not a tech exe…

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Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by kunalgupta »

pfraze wrote: post #41
emceestork wrote: post #31

I switched to Bluesky but then moved back to twitter. I'm glad that they are trying to compete with Twitter (Twitter is a conservative cesspool), but all of my non-technical friends have stayed on Twitter. So, I end up going where they are. I think the reason my friends did not join Bluesky despite me inviting them is that it just isn't as good of a product as Twitter. You can't post videos or DM. I am not a tech exe…

It's a fair point and we definitely debated it, but it was too important to us that we complete the mission.

this is the correct order of operations for sure

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by threeseed »

steveklabnik wrote: post #74
threeseed wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That business model is laughable. The percentage of users who care about a domain name, are willing to pay a subscription for it and don't have one already has to be in the single digits. They better have a good answer to this because it's a threat to the ecosystem as a whole if they don't. Because relying on VC money in this environment is not the smartest thing to do.

I would agree that if that were "the business model" instead of "a thing that generates some revenue," it would be laughable. However, nobody, including BlueSky, believes that this is solely enough to power the business. I agree that a healthy Bluesky PBLLC is a good thing, and hope they manage to pull it off. Time will tell.

Well hopefully they take it more seriously.

Because based on them raising $8m in a seed round middle of last year they aren't going to have much time to decide and implement a strategy before they will need to start thinking about raising a Series A. Or maybe Jack does become a bigger investor.

Either way I think it's insane to prematurely rule out advertising.

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