Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

theverge.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

81–90 of 1001 posts

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

#81

Post by the_third_wave »

yowlingcat wrote: post #46
the_third_wave wrote: post #35

[flagged]

While I don't disagree with your conclusion about Gemini (it does seem to be at the moment incorrigibly racist against the very idea of white people), I'd say that the paucity of comments is likely due to the fact that it's early in the day and it's only been an hour since this was posted. I'd be surprised if you saw the same paucity after a full day of having this on the page.

The comment was moved from a nearly empty thread to this one, I'll edit the part about the scarcity of comments to reflect this.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

#82

Post by sconely »

the_third_wave wrote: post #31
lwansbrough wrote: post #3

Issue appears to be that the uncensored model too closely reflects reality with all its troubling details such as history.

Black vikings do not model reality. Asking for 'an Irish person' produces a Leprechaun. Defending racism when it concerns racism against white people is just as bad as defending it when it concerns any other group.

[dead]

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

#85

Post by Mountain_Skies »

dontupvoteme wrote: post #68

OpenAI already experienced this backlash when it was injecting words for diversity into prompts (hilariously if you asked for your prompt back it would include the words, and supposedly you could get it to render the extra words onto signs within the image). How could Google have made the same mistake but worse ?

Perhaps the overtness was intentional, made by someone in the company who doesn't like the '1984' world Google is building, and saw this as a good opportunity to alert the world with plausible deniability.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

#86

Post by DonHopkins »

gt565k wrote: post #20
kypro wrote: post #5

[flagged]

It would appear the woke mind virus / DEI was deeply embedded into the core of the AI. It refused to generate images of white people. For example: People would ask it to generate something like a picture of a German couple in 1820 and it would spit out images of Asian and Black couples. Pictures of the founding fathers would also include weird things like native Americans and other ethnicities. Other historical promp…

Remember that terrible feeling you have of being the victim of racism as a white man, and recall it next time you hear somebody who's not a white man complaining about being discriminated against or bullied when it comes to their day to day life and activities like getting a job, buying a house, or just trying to live their lives.

That's called empathy. It's not a weakness, it's a virtue, whether you signal it or not. Now that you've been enlightened and seen you're actually capable of empathy, you're more woke than you were before, and less of a bully, and less of an bigoted asshole.

Is that really so terrible? Can you now live with being woke and empathic now by choice, without even suffering as much as all those other human beings who have to live with ACTUAL day-to-day racism and sexism and homophobia against them without having any choice about it?

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

#87

Post by mrtksn »

Honestly, I'm baffled by the American keywordism and obsession with images. They seem to think that if they don't say certain words and show people from minorities in the marketing material the racism and discrimination will be solved and atrocities from the past will be forgiven.

It only become unmanageable and builds up resentment. Anyway, maybe its a phase. Sometimes I wonder if the openly racist European&Asians ways are healthier since it starts with unpleasant honesty and then comes the adjustment as people of different ethnic and cultural background come to understand each other and learn how to live together.

I was minority in the country I was born and I'm immigrant/expat everywhere and I'm very familiar with racism and discrimination. The worst is the hidden one, I'm completely fine with racist people say their things, its very useful for avoiding them. The institutional racism is easy to overcome by winning the hearts of the non-racists, for every racist there are 9 fair and welcoming people out there who are interested in other cultures and want to see people treated fairly and you end up befriending them and learn from them and adapt to their ways when preserving things important to you. This keyword banning and fake smiles makes everything harder and people are freaking out when you try to discuss cultural stuff like something you do in your household that is different from what is the norm in this locality because they are afraid to say something wrong. This stuff seriously degrades the society. It's almost as if Americans want to skip the part of understanding and adaptation of people from different backgrounds by banning words and smiling all the time.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

#89

Post by tycho-newman »

glimshe wrote: post #67
sycamoretrees wrote: post #22

why are we using image generators to represent actual history? If we want accuracy surely we can use actual documents that are not imagined by a bunch of code. If you want to write fanfic or whatever then just adjust the prompt

As far as we know, there are no photos of Vikings. It's reasonable for someone to use AI for learning about their appearance. If working as intended, it should be as reliable as reading a long description of Vikings on Wikipedia.

We have tons of viking material culture you can access directly without the AI layer.

AI as learning tool here feels misplaced to me.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

#90

Post by FrozenSynapse »

WatchDog wrote: post #21

Google seem to be more concerned about generating images of racially diverse Nazis rather than about issues of not being able to generate white people.

That's your assumption, which, I would argue, is incorrect. The issue is that the generation doesn't follow the prompt in some cases.
Post reply on HN