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Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by thriftwy »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #59
thriftwy wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia has a fleet of ~200 Superjet planes which are handling a significant fraction of domestic traffic, but it's indeed not clear whether any more may be built after the 2022 sanctions. They also currently do not have engine replacements.

>They also currently do not have engine replacements. They demonstrated localized version of SSJ-100 with PD-8 engine in 2023. I'm not sure if it actually flew, but there were at least ground tests of the fully assembled aircraft.

Even if it's possible to retrofit existing fleet with PD-8, I can't imagine this happening at the rate at which the old (partly French-made) engines will be going out of order. So even that fleet will dwindle in numbers in the next years. Perhaps to zero, perhaps not - we'll see.

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by Ancalagon »

bombcar wrote: post #53
OldGuyInTheClub wrote: post #44

Ablative management: Layered heat shield of dispensable people that burn off to protect the capsule with the execs.

This is the job description for the CSO (chief security officer): Get fired when the inevitable security breach occurs .

In a way is this not an appropriate response for multiple breaches? If I was CSO and my company was plagued by breaches that came about because of my lack of oversight when it was my job I’d fully expect to be fired.

I don’t believe a single incident is equivalent in this case to what happened to the MAX platform, to much has gone wrong

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by ironmagma »

thefatboy wrote: post #52
ironmagma wrote: post #45

Totally moronic to let someone go with 18 years of experience. Just move them.

> Totally moronic to let someone go with 18 years of experience. Just move them. What is your moronic comment based on? experience isnt everything.

Based on the fact that we are experiencing a competence crisis right now, particularly in aviation but also more generally. Someone with that many years of technical experience should probably just be mentoring 100% of the time.

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by kilroy123 »

mikece wrote: post #3

A friend of mine who used to work for Boeing said the downward trend started when they acquired McDonnell Douglas and the MD bean counters took over a lot of top positions at Boeing, displacing engineers. After that cost-cutting became more of an obsession than building awesome aircraft. Makes me wonder how Boeing can avoid descending into bankruptcy at this point with multiple major projects having significant issue…

I worked with several co-workers who were former Boeing, but on the software side. They all left to start a new startup, and they all said the same thing.

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by nottorp »

> Mike Fleming, who led the 737 MAX return-to-service push after the two fatal crashes and has since then led the drive to certify the MAX 7 and MAX 10, has been promoted to replace Lund as senior vice president and general manager of all Boeing Commercial airplane programs

Ooo pretty. The person responsible for the self certification failures is getting promoted.

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by bombcar »

Ancalagon wrote: post #82
bombcar wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the job description for the CSO (chief security officer): Get fired when the inevitable security breach occurs .

In a way is this not an appropriate response for multiple breaches? If I was CSO and my company was plagued by breaches that came about because of my lack of oversight when it was my job I’d fully expect to be fired. I don’t believe a single incident is equivalent in this case to what happened to the MAX platform, to much has gone wrong

The usual problem is that the CSO is given things to do, no budget, and no authority.

Which, again, if you go in open-eyed can be fine.

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by x3n0ph3n3 »

sonicanatidae wrote: post #54
pg_1234 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There can be bad apples in engineering, So true ... Jack Welch was an engineer.

>Jack Welch was an engineer. That's a funny way of spelling "Self-entitled jackass, who would spit on his own mother for a nickel", but I'll accept it. Edit: I guess the DVs are just ignorant idiots. here is just one example of how stellar of a guy ole Jack was: Under Welch's leadership, GE waged a twenty-year battle with the Environmental Protection Agency and New York State over polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) tha…

The person you are quoting did not express approval of Jack Welch. You are being downvoted for being unnecessarily argumentative and inflamatory, not for being wrong.

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by dave333 »

bombcar wrote: post #86
Ancalagon wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a way is this not an appropriate response for multiple breaches? If I was CSO and my company was plagued by breaches that came about because of my lack of oversight when it was my job I’d fully expect to be fired. I don’t believe a single incident is equivalent in this case to what happened to the MAX platform, to much has gone wrong

The usual problem is that the CSO is given things to do, no budget, and no authority. Which, again, if you go in open-eyed can be fine.

Back in the day there were moderate bounties offered ($100s) for finding security holes. It was far more cost effective than organized security review and testing.

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by sonicanatidae »

x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #87
sonicanatidae wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Jack Welch was an engineer. That's a funny way of spelling "Self-entitled jackass, who would spit on his own mother for a nickel", but I'll accept it. Edit: I guess the DVs are just ignorant idiots. here is just one example of how stellar of a guy ole Jack was: Under Welch's leadership, GE waged a twenty-year battle with the Environmental Protection Agency and New York State over polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) tha…

The person you are quoting did not express approval of Jack Welch. You are being downvoted for being unnecessarily argumentative and inflamatory, not for being wrong.

Argumentative? I agreed that he was a jackass with a pithy comment about spelling.

Inflammatory? What else do you call a clown that would spit on his own mother for a nickel?

Point taken, but FFS. The man was a grand mal asshole and that should be mentioned every time his name appears.

Re: Boeing ousts 737 MAX chief

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Post by kayodelycaon »

bloopernova wrote: post #68
OldGuyInTheClub wrote: post #44

Ablative management: Layered heat shield of dispensable people that burn off to protect the capsule with the execs.

Completely off topic, but I always wondered what was so special about Deep Space 9's USS Defiant and its "ablative armour". Sure, it was a plot device, but everyone who encountered it seemed astounded by it.

I think it is important to note the Federation previously wasn’t in the business of building warships. They are so technically advanced, they didn’t need them.

As a friend of mine put it:

Everyone’s best warships are in a dead heat with a luxury liner full of nerds that happens to have guns on it.

Starfleet ships didn’t need armor. Their materials science was already so advanced, they had to use structural integrity and dampening fields to push beyond what existing physical materials could accomplish.

So when they roll out an actual warship using physical armor plating, it is an incredible advancement in materials beyond “simple” energy-reinforced hulls.

Alternatively, it’s really boring technology but the idea of a Starfleet warship is so new they are salivating over things everyone else has been using for centuries. It’s like giving a tank to a soccer mom and telling her to have fun in traffic.

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