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Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by sedatk »

freedomben wrote: post #72
lutoma wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I miss from Google is a reliable built-in calculator. I know I could just use some other calculator app but the habit of just typing stuff into my address bar is hard to shake. Kagi also has a calculator, but for a lot of queries it gives questionable results, for example for `210/8` it returns `105/4`. Technically correct, sure, but almost never what I want.

FWIW I think this has improved radically in the past few weeks thanks to their integration with Wolfram. I haven't tried it yet though but was pleased to see that in the changelog

It's apparently the Wolfram|Alpha integration that returns 105/4.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by Zambyte »

nicce wrote: post #57
sedatk wrote: post #14

I've been a paying Kagi user for a few months now. The only thing that made me miss Google results was immediate answers: the answers that are extracted from a prominent web page and shown directly, so you don't have to click the link. Actually, Kagi has some of that for certain queries, but it's not as extensive as Google's. So, contrary to the most of the comments here, I support their AI endeavors for the sake of…

I have personally started to avoid Google’s and others immediate answers, because they are often very wrong because they are picked out of the contex. They try to show what you want to see, but it often means something else.

I have used Kagi for several months now, and I find that the ability to decide which searches I want quick answers for to be useful. There are certain searches where I feel comfortable with accepting a quick answer, and others where I don't think it would be useful. Being able to avoid the clutter unless I want it is nice.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by freediver »

hackeruse wrote: post #63
freediver wrote: post #55

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That is a great question. Well we first have to ask what would be the purpose of someone going through the trouble to create such (LLM generated) spammy SEO content? The answer (for the majority of web at least now) is to monetize it with ads/affiliate links. If that is the case then the answer is easy as we already penalize sites with ads/trackers on them for our general web search, and completely boot them out of o…

This is a naive take. SEO schemes are attractive for companies that sell products themselves (e.g. try searching anything related to ETL tools). The content itself is the ad and you won’t find any ad serving scripts or affiliate links in there. (Source: have created such schemes, although would generally not recommend them to my customers nowadays)

Underestimate the average Kagi user at your own peril. I do not think many would fall prey to an LLM generated content marketing page and end up buying a product from such site. Much likelier scenario is the page gets instantly blocked/reported.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by sedatk »

lutoma wrote: post #66
sedatk wrote: post #14

I've been a paying Kagi user for a few months now. The only thing that made me miss Google results was immediate answers: the answers that are extracted from a prominent web page and shown directly, so you don't have to click the link. Actually, Kagi has some of that for certain queries, but it's not as extensive as Google's. So, contrary to the most of the comments here, I support their AI endeavors for the sake of…

One thing I miss from Google is a reliable built-in calculator. I know I could just use some other calculator app but the habit of just typing stuff into my address bar is hard to shake. Kagi also has a calculator, but for a lot of queries it gives questionable results, for example for `210/8` it returns `105/4`. Technically correct, sure, but almost never what I want.

I agree. I've also found out that "210/8.0" returns the desired result.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by jackson1442 »

lurking_swe wrote: post #73
lauriewired wrote: post #67

Any chance you'd consider making a version of this as a browser extension for paid subscribers? What I really want is this functionality on unsupported websites/documentation. It would be killer to "ask" kagi a fact about the article or docs I'm already reading, even if it only traverses/parses the single page.

i think this would do what you want: https://kagi.com/summarizer/index.html now just need to build an extension :)

It's already a feature in the Kagi browser extensions! Just summarization (and their FastGPT), not the website Q&A part.

chrome: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/kagi-search-for-chr...

firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/kagi-search-f...

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by jon_richards »

samatman wrote: post #62
mayneack wrote: post #26

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Oh, interesting. I was actually wondering what had changed. That wolfram integration needs some work. Right now it's consistently just simplifying fractions. I keep having to "!g" in brave to get google to do simple math for me. https://i.imgur.com/ghmUcAh.png

That's.... good, though? What happens if you ask for 23000.0/10500?

As someone who has used wolfram alpha for a long time, I wish they'd just put both. They do on queries like 23000/105000, but not on queries like 23000 = x*105000

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by tananaev »

smcleod wrote: post #8

Early Kagi adopter here. I love Kagi search and their summarisation features, but I'd rather they just focus on high quality and configurable search and summarisation results rather than new products.

I suspect their core business is unsustainable as is. From what I understand, they use search APIs, which are expensive. So they need to get their own index, at least partial, to have a sustainable business.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by mastercheif »

sedatk wrote: post #32
al_borland wrote: post #29

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I’ve been really liking the quick answers[1] that Kagi added. The doc gives some info as to what triggers it so it seems less random. [1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/quick-answer.html

Oh that's awesome. I think I bumped into it once, but my search flow is usually always in a rush that I haven't had time to stop and think about it.

You can click the "Quick Answer" button on the search results page to trigger the same feature. I think it appears whenever there is more than one word in the search query.

Re: Kagi Sidekick (alpha)

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Post by al_borland »

nicce wrote: post #54
al_borland wrote: post #31

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With Kagi’s customers being users, not advertisers, they can put in features to mitigate against problems caused by SEO, like how Kagi bundles up all the “Top X abcdefg” lists that turned Google into trash.

The parent context was: > Ie user activity on embedded sites helps indicate interest in Kagi index updates. Doesn’t this mean anyone? And once someone fakes user activity, that make it useless measure in the end.

If that becomes a problem, they can alter the plan. Kagi doesn’t have the same conflict as pretty much every other search engine when evaluating this stuff. If it starts making things worse, stop factoring it in, or reduce the influence in the ranking.
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