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Re: Rotten Apple

#81
I think the main issue is attribution. Especially when a lot of stuff breaks even on web, when you change the browser.

Imagine I have some PWA at home screen now, working with Safari engine. I changed my browser to Chrome, let's say it stopped working. 90% of the users will blame Apple software update instead of the Chrome choice.

Re: Rotten Apple

#83
I wonder how the EU will respond when high-ranking politicians fall victim to third-party app store scams or experience significant data leaks exploited through other browsers. Given that they're not particularly tech-savvy, it raises questions about their preparedness for such situations, and who they will blame for it.

Re: Rotten Apple

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why Safari can’t just launch from a Home Screen bookmark even if the user has chosen another “default browser”? IIRC this is exactly what it does after the change. It now just launches the bookmark in a normal browser instead of a browser with the UI hidden.

By Safari, I meant the engine, not the app. Are there any people who actually prefer no PWAs at all over Safari-engine PWAs?

I think it's less a preference question and more whether Apple thinks saving PWAs with a third party browser and then launching them with Safari is compliant with the DMA.

Re: Rotten Apple

#85
post #76

Why Safari can’t just launch from a Home Screen bookmark even if the user has chosen another “default browser”? PWAs are already a separate “island” of storage and share nothing with Safari App… Microsoft does it all the time with Edge on Windows.

No. A PWA has exactly the same storage access, code etc as a normal web page. A PWA is set apart by having a manifest, which defines how it should act as an app. It has certain extra capabilities like accepting shares and so on, but it is not radically different from a web page.

> A PWA has exactly the same storage access, code etc as a normal web page.

This is not the case in Safari[1].

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38606328

Re: Rotten Apple

#86

This is a terrible argument: > You can read Apple’s announcement on being forced to comply but as you do you so, I’d like you to remember one thing: every nightmare scenario they describe for the security of users in the EU is exactly what currently happens on Macs everywhere in the world. There's 1.5 billion iPhone users vs 100 million Mac users, Apple believes that at least part of the reason for that difference is…

That's a terrible argument. The MacOS security model has not suffered as Apple asserts.

Re: Rotten Apple

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So when you sign up for Apple Arcade, which strangely you dont use? Why sign up for it? But then it's okay that you need to have your iPad to signup, but when you want to cancel it is strange that you need your iPad. I understand it would be nice if you can login to a website and cancel, but reads as if you make your mistake of not taken your iPad, or cancelling in time a fault of others.

> but when you want to cancel it is strange that you need your iPad Come on, of course that's ridiculous. Of course a reasonable person would expect to be able to cancel a subscription without needing the device it was created on when they used an account that you can log into from basically anywhere. If I bought an iPad and subscribed to something, and then accidentality dropped it off a cliff, or out of a plane, or…

This entire thread is ridiculous.

Just pickup the phone and cancel your subscription. Yes, I get that you can't spin up a virtual machine of OS/2 and and use Netscape navigator to cancel your subscription because you dropped your iPad off the balcony of your cruise ship. OK, call them up and cancel.

I'll hate on apple all day, but damn if this thread isn't pedantic as hell. Jeeze.

oh my toddler is annoyed about a 2FA prompt

Give me a break. "Hey son, read to me the 6 digit code you just got on MY IPAD, Thanks son! Good reading my boy!"

Re: Rotten Apple

#88

This is a terrible argument: > You can read Apple’s announcement on being forced to comply but as you do you so, I’d like you to remember one thing: every nightmare scenario they describe for the security of users in the EU is exactly what currently happens on Macs everywhere in the world. There's 1.5 billion iPhone users vs 100 million Mac users, Apple believes that at least part of the reason for that difference is…

> There's 1.5 billion iPhone users vs 100 million Mac users It’s beyond hilarious, after years of seeing Apple users fight back against the idea that the Mac’s better security relative to windows Windows has anything to do with its smaller user base, to see Apple users insist that the Mac’s smaller user base relative to the iPhone is what makes it more secure.

Those are probably different groups of people. I'll definitely agree that the Mac would see more security issues if it had the install base of Windows or iOS.

Re: Rotten Apple

#89
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps this is just "all we could deliver by the compliance deadline without compromising platform security" ? The truth is usually a lot less interesting than the hypothesis.

How would suddenly disallowing users to run a PWA that worked for years improve platform security? How would having Spotify be able to use their own subscription system compromise platform security? Being able to install software without needing an OK from the hardware manufacturer has been standard for over 40 years now. People do it on Windows PCs, on Linux PCs, on MacBooks and on Android phones, and that very clea…

It's pretty obvious. They're not disallowing it. They are removing the integration with the home screen so that it will run in third party browsers. That limits it to the smallest common API surface which is "open link". Everything else was a luxury.

I don't think you work in IT if you haven't had an infested windows, android or macOS box before. Hell I just spent the other day cleaning my father's Mac out of two VPN turds fighting with each other he installed after watching crap on YouTube. My daughter's windows machine got destroyed by unsigned crap from a Sims mod. You just don't get that on iOS apart from the odd calendar subscription turd.

As for spotify, they use their own subscription system, not the app store.

Re: Rotten Apple

#90

I have an ipad through which I subscribed for Apple arcade. I don't use it / play at all on it and there was recently an email that price is going up. Sure, I'll just cancel subscription I said. I don't have my ipad on me, nor any other apple device (I don't use them anymore), nor windows. I have linux machines and android phone. Ok, so how do I cancel subscription? icloud login? no. subscription place of sorts? it w…

So when you sign up for Apple Arcade, which strangely you dont use? Why sign up for it? But then it's okay that you need to have your iPad to signup, but when you want to cancel it is strange that you need your iPad. I understand it would be nice if you can login to a website and cancel, but reads as if you make your mistake of not taken your iPad, or cancelling in time a fault of others.

>Why sign up for it?

Because, when you buy an Apple device, they shove free trials for subscription services down your throat in the hopes that you'll do exactly this. And it's not strange that they don't use it: the first thing you discover after starting the free trials is that they're useless and full of shovelware.

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