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Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

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I wonder what mindset has to do with some of this? I'm speaking as someone who was bullied badly when I was younger, still am I guess, but obviously I have no idea how representative I am individually.

When I was first bullied in school it was scary and I was made to feel a victim by my parents and teachers – bullying is bad and therefore me being bullied made me a victim.

This got worse the more I tried to get other people to do something about it. I'd tell my parents and teachers and the more I asked for help the more they'd take sympathy and try to help, but as those who have been bullied are likely aware rarely does telling the teacher actually put an end to the bullying.

A few years later I change schools and made a friend who was a bit of a weirdo. People didn't like either of us so we got on. He had a completely different view on bullying to me though. When he got bullied he'd always fight back. He wouldn't always come out on top, but he always fought back. And then he started doing the same for me when I was bullied. And seeing him do this I started to fight back with him.

First the first time in years I felt like I was no longer powerless to bullies. Now it was something I could fix. Obviously I still didn't like being bullied but it became way easier to do with once I realised it was my problem to solve. The shame and helplessness was no longer there and I started to stand up for myself. Obviously sometimes there was nothing we could do. If a group of kids want to beat you up, they'll do it. But we'd always find a way to get them back later when they were on their own.

When I look back on my bullying now I view it as the single best thing that ever happened to me because it gave me the self confidence to take action and solve my own problems.

To this day people will say mean things to me from time to time, but I have a ridiculously thick to the point that I rarely ever react unless people start getting physically abusive. While I might still get nervous when someone is physically aggressive towards, I don't feel powerless or a victim anymore. The only thing that goes through my mind is, 1: how do I ensure my safety, and two: how do I get this person back for what they've done.

What I've seen among many of my friends who were also bullied though is a kinda low self esteem and low self worth which holds them back. They avoid social interaction. They avoid conflict. They struggle to deal with their emotions. Etc.. And honestly I think that's partly because they were taught that they were victims from a young age and they're subconsciously embraced that as they've grown up where I was lucky enough to break out of that cycle.

The other thing I'd say here is that I don't understand why we treat crimes committed by children so differently. If a child is physically abusing another individual they should be arrested. Not punishing bullying in my opinion is why it's so common. The teacher saying, "please stop punching James in the face or I'll call your mum" obviously isn't going to do anything. It's utterly absurd the level of abuse we allow kids to get away with.

I guess to summarise what I'm saying, I think the reason bullying is such a big issue is because kids are taught they're powerless victims whilst nothing is ever done to actually stop the bullying from continuing. My school used to tell me if someone is being physically abusive to me I should say, "please don't do that, I don't like it". What we should actually do is tell children they must either physically defend themselves (if they can) or get out of the situation. Then once they're safe they should immediately call the police to report the crime. If we want to stop bullying this is how we'd do it.

Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

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I was bullied at school as a kid, it was shit… but sometimes when I look at what my bullies are up to these days thanks to social media, I can see quite clearly that despite being bullied, I fared better in terms of achieving a better education, higher income, and even being overall physically healthier. None of my bullies could run a half marathon now, most dropped out of university or never even attempted to go to…

> I fared better in terms of achieving a better education, higher income, and even being overall physically healthier.

That's a funny observation, which I'm pretty sure is true for me too. I never looked up to many people though. at the same time, i also lucked into software, most people didn't do as well.

Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

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Is there a study that compares the difference in bullying between countries? I have a feeling that bullying was/is particularly common and more violent in the UK compared to the rest of the world. I am from France, and I always found the portraiture of bullying in English culture quite foreign to me. Repeated beatings, total humiliation, stalking, all these horrific behaviors did seem fairly established in the UK, wh…

Not from the UK, but such bullying stereotypes seem to be overblown in US media. I'm not saying they don't happen, but Hollywood seems to show some violent bullying happening to virtually every male teen protagonist. During my childhood, most of the oddballs or introverted kids, myself included, were kind of ignored and had almost no interaction with the athletes and popular kids who were getting into fights with eac…

It's not overblown, I assure you, it's widespread and "normal". In the US I saw kids getting thrown into dumpsters, or bullied over months - nasty psychological type, as well as physical beatings. Fortunately I was friends with older kids who protected me, but I felt sorry for some of my peers, who I'm sure were affected for the rest of their lives.

From my observation, it seemed bullying is group dynamics - it always involved a cluster of kids beating on a single child they picked out. It also reminded me of animal behavior, as a way of asserting who is part of the pack, and who is an outsider. And I think somehow it's related to the structure of institutions, like schools, sports, and military.

Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

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post #79

For people here still struggling with their bullying (past), I’d highly recommend Cognitive Behavior Therapy together with EMDR. The same professional applied both techniques in my case. It has worked wonders for me and the painful past is much less painful now. Having being bullied no longer define my sentiments and outlook in life.

CBT can sometimes be quite a bullying modality in and of itself, so take care.

How so?

Asking because it's something I've looked at for unrelated reasons, and while the couple of providers I've interviewed thus far I disqualified for other reasons, if there's more to look out for here it'd be good to know about.

Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

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Few questions: - Should we create laws to penalize bullying? Given the reports of bullying's adverse effects of a society's productivity, I'm almost wondering if we should apply legal penalties to bullies and mitigate such externalities. For instance, South Korea enacted a policy in which records of bullying are reflected on college entrance.[1] [1] https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/bullying-records... - Wi…

> Given the reports of bullying's adverse effects of a society's productivity, I'm almost wondering if we should apply legal penalties to bullies and mitigate such externalities. A beautiful idea which will not work, any more than resort to adult authority ever does in such cases. Three reasons: Shallowly, first, the authority is not absolute and cannot be. There will always be opportunities for a bully to bully; try…

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Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

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post #79

For people here still struggling with their bullying (past), I’d highly recommend Cognitive Behavior Therapy together with EMDR. The same professional applied both techniques in my case. It has worked wonders for me and the painful past is much less painful now. Having being bullied no longer define my sentiments and outlook in life.

CBT can sometimes be quite a bullying modality in and of itself, so take care.

That wasn’t my experience at all. It’s not supposed to be.

Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

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Not bullied in school since I could usually hold my own, but bullied by my father throughout my life. Being in a country where parental corporal punishment is normal, even encouraged, I was hit for minor to major (getting bad marks, staying out late to play with friends) events all throughout my life till I could save up enough to move out when I was 18. It took me my entire college life to get over the feeling of dr…

tbh two different people gain two different lessons being raised this way. your experience is unique. others have went to the military and/or had tough dads and it made them completely better as a person. "bullying" is a natural part of human life. its always up to the person to be courageous and get through. Your personal perspective is apart of current societies views on it...plus your own. there are kids who had n…

Absence of bullying doesn't mean absence of discipline.

In no situation bullying is a good thing. Bullying is devastating and an unhealthy way of teaching things.

You comment is basically saying "bullying didn't work on you because you were too weak". That's borderline victim shaming and completely insensitive.

Courage has nothing to do with coping with bullying, and you should not need courage for daily interactions with your parents who ought to be your support instead.

You need validation and constructive criticism to grow and bullying is kinda the opposite of this. This validation and constructive criticism will give you the chance to build up self confidence which, in turn, may also you to grow a "thick skin". No need for bullying, which usually takes away your self confidence.

Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not from the UK, but such bullying stereotypes seem to be overblown in US media. I'm not saying they don't happen, but Hollywood seems to show some violent bullying happening to virtually every male teen protagonist. During my childhood, most of the oddballs or introverted kids, myself included, were kind of ignored and had almost no interaction with the athletes and popular kids who were getting into fights with eac…

It's not overblown, I assure you, it's widespread and "normal". In the US I saw kids getting thrown into dumpsters, or bullied over months - nasty psychological type, as well as physical beatings. Fortunately I was friends with older kids who protected me, but I felt sorry for some of my peers, who I'm sure were affected for the rest of their lives. From my observation, it seemed bullying is group dynamics - it alway…

Apparently in non-anglophone countries it's more accepted that bullying is a group activity, where UK/US focus on a single perpetrator.

I think the group dynamic is more accurate.

Re: The adult consequences of being bullied in childhood

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not from the UK, but such bullying stereotypes seem to be overblown in US media. I'm not saying they don't happen, but Hollywood seems to show some violent bullying happening to virtually every male teen protagonist. During my childhood, most of the oddballs or introverted kids, myself included, were kind of ignored and had almost no interaction with the athletes and popular kids who were getting into fights with eac…

It's not overblown, I assure you, it's widespread and "normal". In the US I saw kids getting thrown into dumpsters, or bullied over months - nasty psychological type, as well as physical beatings. Fortunately I was friends with older kids who protected me, but I felt sorry for some of my peers, who I'm sure were affected for the rest of their lives. From my observation, it seemed bullying is group dynamics - it alway…

> It's not overblown, I assure you, it's widespread and "normal"

I always wonder how it is in the US. Based on movies and such, bullying is horrible in the US. But how widespread is that? I didn't go to school in the US (other than graduate degree in university) so don't have any direct experience.

I was the prototypical nerd in school (and old enough that it was back when being the D&D/computer/math nerd was not cool at all).

But I never experienced or saw any bullying. I sure didn't get invited to the cool parties and such, but everyone was always nice enough, including the "jock/cheerleader" types. Many decades later now, our whole class is still in contact and in friendly terms.

Maybe I just got lucky with a good class.

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