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Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by kevincox »

phkahler wrote: post #53
jckahn wrote: post #5

My kingdom for Wayland fractional scaling that doesn’t make my apps blurry. It makes the feature a complete nonstarter for me.

>> My kingdom for Wayland fractional scaling that doesn’t make my apps blurry. I'm convinced I don't understand this thing. I feel like it's NOT the compositors job to scale the pixels of an application. That might be a good hack for super high resolution screens with applications that don't know how to handle high DPI but it's an inferior solution. Scaling text at the pixel level is going to be inferior to rendering…

Apps that natively support fractional scaling will not be scaled by the compositor. (Well unless they span multiple monitors with different scales IIUC.) Scaling is just a fallback for apps that don't support fractional scaling or edge cases like you drag a non-responding app onto a monitor with a different scale.

Yes, you can have a per-monitor scale factor and apps should render at the right scale based on where they are positioned.

Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by davexunit »

ingenieroariel wrote: post #68
Cu3PO42 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> via its own nix build system Nix is conceptually extremely similar to Guix, but a different implementation! It uses its own programming language, also called Nix, and has a less strict stance on free software.

Guix uses Nix under the hood (learned this when trying to compile it). Perhaps learning Nix first will let the grandparent be more effective in Guix later.

Guix forked and modified only the Nix build daemon which isn't user visible. Learning the Nix tools and language will not teach you very much about how to use Guix.

Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by gigatexal »

slgeorge wrote: post #60

For those that don't know Guix can be used as: * a package manager on top of an existing Linux distribution (think apt or rpm) * a development environment (think Python venv but for any language) * a VM system (like Docker but declarative) * a Linux distribution (similar to Nix) It's a small and friendly community - we recently started an English-speaking online user-group: https://www.meetup.com/guix-london/ Next me…

With nix i can install free, non-free apps -- the amount of nix-able stuff is a ton. Is Guix only set to install FSF blessed proprietary free stuff?

Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by slgeorge »

graemep wrote: post #78
slgeorge wrote: post #60

For those that don't know Guix can be used as: * a package manager on top of an existing Linux distribution (think apt or rpm) * a development environment (think Python venv but for any language) * a VM system (like Docker but declarative) * a Linux distribution (similar to Nix) It's a small and friendly community - we recently started an English-speaking online user-group: https://www.meetup.com/guix-london/ Next me…

"Guix is a rolling release distribution, the versions of each application are updated continuously. The benefit of rolling releases is that enhancements are available immediately" The last time I looked at Guix a lot of packages were not up to date, and this included security updates for internet facing things (IIRC, one of the major web servers).

New packages and updates to packages come into the archive continuously. For example, in roughly the last 24 hours 40 packages were added or updated - https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/log/ . Advantage of this is that you can use new packages immediately and there's no big 'upgrade'. Challenges are that if you were an enterprise and wanted to stick on an 'old' version this wouldn't the right distribution.

Guix does receive security updates, and those are added to the archive immediately. I haven't had any problems myself. It's definitely a 'community' project, so you have to enjoy doing a bit of hacking!

Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by rekado »

ingenieroariel wrote: post #68
Cu3PO42 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> via its own nix build system Nix is conceptually extremely similar to Guix, but a different implementation! It uses its own programming language, also called Nix, and has a less strict stance on free software.

Guix uses Nix under the hood (learned this when trying to compile it). Perhaps learning Nix first will let the grandparent be more effective in Guix later.

Guix includes a copy of the nix-daemon. It's a relatively small C++ program that manages the store. We reuse it because there was no point in writing a replacement for something as low-level as the daemon. Guix compiles its package definitions down to the same kind of file format that the old Nix daemon understands.

(It's a bit funny to me that GNU has a reputation for NIH-ing projects, but when a GNU project doesn't reinvent the spokes on a wheel it also attracts various forms of criticism.)

Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by [deleted] »

kdtsh wrote: post #13
goosedragons wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other big thing is that being a FSF project they are much more committed to free software than Nix. It's harder to get stuff like Chrome, Steam, Nvidia drivers etc. Not impossible but you're definitely swimming against the current in trying.

Important to note that it’s not hard or swimming against the current - you just use the nonguix channel, which has all of those things and is a perfectly acceptable use of the system (it’s what channels are for) - but it’s not in the default installation.

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Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by rekado »

gigatexal wrote: post #83
slgeorge wrote: post #60

For those that don't know Guix can be used as: * a package manager on top of an existing Linux distribution (think apt or rpm) * a development environment (think Python venv but for any language) * a VM system (like Docker but declarative) * a Linux distribution (similar to Nix) It's a small and friendly community - we recently started an English-speaking online user-group: https://www.meetup.com/guix-london/ Next me…

With nix i can install free, non-free apps -- the amount of nix-able stuff is a ton. Is Guix only set to install FSF blessed proprietary free stuff?

No. While the core repository (we call that a "channel") only includes free software, there are no restrictions whatsoever on what you can or cannot install with Guix.

Guix makes it trivial to add third-party channels (such as nonguix, guix-science-nonfree, or other free software channels like guix-cran or guix-science) or extend Guix in an ad-hoc fashion.

You can also build an entirely private collection of packages if you want; from a file, from a git repository, from a Guile expression, etc.

Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by slgeorge »

gigatexal wrote: post #83
slgeorge wrote: post #60

For those that don't know Guix can be used as: * a package manager on top of an existing Linux distribution (think apt or rpm) * a development environment (think Python venv but for any language) * a VM system (like Docker but declarative) * a Linux distribution (similar to Nix) It's a small and friendly community - we recently started an English-speaking online user-group: https://www.meetup.com/guix-london/ Next me…

With nix i can install free, non-free apps -- the amount of nix-able stuff is a ton. Is Guix only set to install FSF blessed proprietary free stuff?

No.

Guix is more similar to Debian, with only 'Free Software' applications in the main archive.

For proprietary codecs, firmware and so forth there is the Nonguix channel. Again, this is fairly similar to how distributions like Ubuntu have handled this line in the past.

I need Chrome and also have some games loaded using 'channels' - heh heh - another post:

https://www.futurile.net/2022/12/04/proprietary-apps-on-guix...

A lot of Guix users use Flatpaks.

Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by eecc » 

   HOWEVER, and I hope this is a transient situation, there is a problem: in GNOME, applications that aren’t native Wayland apps don’t scale nicely. It’s like the app gets rendered to a texture at the original resolution, which then gets scaled up in a blurry way.
Unfortunately that's how it works on all Linux distros since "this will be the year of Wayland". Last time I tried it was 2020, and I gave up when it turned out there were no alternatives to the off-screen rendering and scaling hack for Chrome, IntelliJ and VSCode.

Sorry but my eyesight is already bad as it is.

Re: Guix on the Framework 13 AMD

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Post by b5n »

gigatexal wrote: post #83
slgeorge wrote: post #60

For those that don't know Guix can be used as: * a package manager on top of an existing Linux distribution (think apt or rpm) * a development environment (think Python venv but for any language) * a VM system (like Docker but declarative) * a Linux distribution (similar to Nix) It's a small and friendly community - we recently started an English-speaking online user-group: https://www.meetup.com/guix-london/ Next me…

With nix i can install free, non-free apps -- the amount of nix-able stuff is a ton. Is Guix only set to install FSF blessed proprietary free stuff?

https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Channels.html

https://gitlab.com/nonguix/nonguix

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