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Industry veterans get candid on ageism in gaming

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Re: Industry veterans get candid on ageism in gaming

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beaeglebeached wrote: post #75
lovich wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man you literally just had the whole but about race to the bottom and negative externalities woosh right over your head. There are some behaviors that are banned because paradoxically by allowing you the liberty to do that, everyone’s liberty is negatively affected.

Whos liberty is effected if you and I play slave farm until one of us screams uncle?

Everyone who now has to deal with that being an option on the negotiating table. It being banned removes it from the discussion.

I am having a hard believing you’re acting in good faith if you’re arguing it’s immoral that you can’t sell yourself into slavery

Re: Industry veterans get candid on ageism in gaming

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Post by beaeglebeached »

lovich wrote: post #80
beaeglebeached wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, then it's no longer third party dissent but counterparty dissent in hiring non union. Obviously competitors will emerge to varying success to employ these excluded persons.

So then you don’t have a problem with being required to be part of a union to work at certain companies. I’d also like to point out that you needed to have this framed in the context of a union negotiating the same way as a company before you were ok with it. Why the visceral reaction to unions but none for companies?

The initial premise was 'all' employees.

If the company and employee have choice to choose union/non union I have no problem with it. The visceral reaction was to denial of employment by mutual consent.

Re: Industry veterans get candid on ageism in gaming

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Post by beaeglebeached »

lovich wrote: post #81
beaeglebeached wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whos liberty is effected if you and I play slave farm until one of us screams uncle?

Everyone who now has to deal with that being an option on the negotiating table. It being banned removes it from the discussion. I am having a hard believing you’re acting in good faith if you’re arguing it’s immoral that you can’t sell yourself into slavery

That some may agree to slavery-until-i-say-uncle is far less threat to liberty than some democratic oppressor that picks and chooses what consenting adults may agree to based on what hypothetical options might end up on the negotiating table of other consenting adults.

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Post by LanceH »

meheleventyone wrote: post #66
LanceH wrote: post #65

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There are way more 20 somethings entering directly into tech now than in the 90's. In the 90's something like computer science was much smaller. Other nearby disciplines were nowhere near as computer oriented as they are now. And people outside of that didn't have the internet-can-teach-you-anything as a resource. That all changed in the late 90's as the whole population came online.

Yes that’s what I’m saying.

I think I put my reply in the wrong place...yes, we agree.

Re: Industry veterans get candid on ageism in gaming

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

everdrive wrote: post #31

"Ageism" itself is something of a strange concept. Often, what is described as discrimination just seems to be a sane collection of valid trends: - Older people are less willing to work longer hours. - Older people are more aware of their rights as an employee. - Older people may struggle to pick up new skillsets. While it would be bad to find myself unemployable due to these factors, I find it hard to argue that the…

> Older people may struggle to pick up new skillsets.

bologna, older people have seen the cycle enough times and have a nose for what to avoid.

That's not the same as struggling to pick up new skillsets.

I've tried my damndest to avoid react, yet I recently delivered a contract in it. Probably 8 hours of what I billed was learning react and redux and most of THAT was picking up how they were implementing it. The actual learning react/redux was probably under 2 hours.

Re: Industry veterans get candid on ageism in gaming

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Post by lovich »

beaeglebeached wrote: post #83
lovich wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone who now has to deal with that being an option on the negotiating table. It being banned removes it from the discussion. I am having a hard believing you’re acting in good faith if you’re arguing it’s immoral that you can’t sell yourself into slavery

That some may agree to slavery-until-i-say-uncle is far less threat to liberty than some democratic oppressor that picks and chooses what consenting adults may agree to based on what hypothetical options might end up on the negotiating table of other consenting adults.

Respectfully, no it’s not. Go read up on game theory
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