In other news, the EV we will be producing will have 30,000 miles of range and will cost $25 and will solve all of the problems in your life using magic.
Until it exists, it doesn’t exist.
The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000
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Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
I ninja-edited in a requirement that I forgot: doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer. The Model 3 sort of meets the above but the phone-home connectivity (and poor after-sales support) are deal breakers for me.
It can be disabled and a piece of black tape can ensure no video is sent. Will you be heading to Tesla in the morning? ;) https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-EDAD116... >By default, images and video from the camera do not leave the vehicle itself and are not transmitted to anyone, including Tesla, unless you enable data sharing.
If I did, they wouldn't have one there for me to purchase. Their site indicates no stock and the cheapest vehicle they have can be ordered today for $40,630.
Also the outside of the thing is covered in cameras and I'm not spending $40k to drive around a car with tape all over it.
Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000
#83There's no way in hell they're making money at that price. They're probably not even breaking even. Even the higher trims are going to have extremely thin margins, if they're making money at all. Seeing as it's an $8K jump in price from the base model to the second level trim, I imagine dealers are going to make it very difficult to buy a base model.
If they are selling at a loss, makes me wonder if they're expecting to make up for it in software subscription sales.
Seems like they're creating a business model for someone to buy their cars, throw the computer it comes with in the trash and replace it with a general purpose one that will run the HVAC without an "insert coin to continue" prompt.
Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
I ninja-edited in a requirement that I forgot: doesn't stream video of me to someone else's computer. The Model 3 sort of meets the above but the phone-home connectivity (and poor after-sales support) are deal breakers for me.
Come on. If it was a deal-breaker, you wouldn't have forgotten it. Your criteria is simply "no Teslas". Which is fine, if that's the case. I'm not going to tell you what to buy. But trying to construct technical arguments around a brand decision just leads you to silly places like this one.
There probably is a legitimate argument in the nature of "no cars in the Tesla style", i.e. it comes with a big touch screen that runs everything and you don't control it.
There is no technical reason someone can't make an EV with mechanical HVAC controls and a navigation/audio system which is generic, independent of any other function of the car and feasibly replaced by a third party system if you don't care for it.
Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
It can be disabled and a piece of black tape can ensure no video is sent. Will you be heading to Tesla in the morning? ;) https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-EDAD116... >By default, images and video from the camera do not leave the vehicle itself and are not transmitted to anyone, including Tesla, unless you enable data sharing.
If I did, they wouldn't have one there for me to purchase. Their site indicates no stock and the cheapest vehicle they have can be ordered today for $40,630. Also the outside of the thing is covered in cameras and I'm not spending $40k to drive around a car with tape all over it.
cool. cool. cool. thought your issue was with the in cabin camera.
Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think any average joe has a tesla.
Why not? The Tesla Model 3 literally sells for less than the average new car price in the US (lease for as low as $329/mo, roughly $246/mo after rebates).
The average Joe doesn't buy a new car at all. The average car in the US is more than 10 years old. So they'll have a Tesla once they've been selling in volume for 10 years, which is still another five or six years out.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
If GM wants to drop CarPlay and force me to use their broken laggy garbage I just won't buy their car same goes for Tesla. Not paying a subscription fee for GPS.
GM's system is built by google and it's not laggy at all. That said, I also wouldn't buy it because I want carplay.
I just want someone to figure out the perfect entertainment system has a volume knob, a radio button, and a mirror phone screen and audio button and thats it. Bonus points for allowing me to choose to mirror over wifi or over a usb that also charges.
Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do you figure?
For 20k, you can deliver a certain level of EV. Features, size, performance, looks. If there was a big enough market for that EV at 20k to make production practical, car companies would make them in an effort to maximize profit. But Americans have a lot of money and a lot of space and want big vehicles; EVs are more expensive to produce, so it’s the rich people that want EVs. And those people aren’t going to buy a li…
>car companies would make them in an effort to maximize profit
That might make sense if the only two options were "make nothing" and "make EVs to sell for 20k". In the presence of other options, however, the manufacturer might decide that that's not the optimal strategy. Or existing regulations, tariffs, or subsidies might be distorting the market. Automobiles are probably one of the least-free markets this side of pacemakers.
Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
For 20k, you can deliver a certain level of EV. Features, size, performance, looks. If there was a big enough market for that EV at 20k to make production practical, car companies would make them in an effort to maximize profit. But Americans have a lot of money and a lot of space and want big vehicles; EVs are more expensive to produce, so it’s the rich people that want EVs. And those people aren’t going to buy a li…
>car companies would make them in an effort to maximize profit That might make sense if the only two options were "make nothing" and "make EVs to sell for 20k". In the presence of other options, however, the manufacturer might decide that that's not the optimal strategy. Or existing regulations, tariffs, or subsidies might be distorting the market. Automobiles are probably one of the least-free markets this side of p…
Fair, but a lot of the regulations are safety related and people would probably vote for those regulations directly if they could.
So a 20k EV probably just involves too many compromises to make it a winning proposition for both the buyer and the seller.
Re: The Chevy Equinox EV will get 319 miles of range and start at around $35,000
#90These prices are pretty meaningless. They said the same thing about Hyundai Konas but dealer prices are substantially different. Used/new car purchases continue to be a terrible value proposition.
Inflation has stopped for most categories, and for cars it has reversed https://site.manheim.com/en/services/consulting/used-vehicle...