https://skiff.com/data-migration I’m really upset about this, I was about to go all in on Skiff after being burnt by ProtonMail. Glad I didn’t. Feel really bad for those who did.
Where did you go then?
Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset
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That’s awesome. I didn’t realise you did email hosting, maybe that’s new? I’ve been using their email forwarding (paid) for a few years now. Great for side projects and any random domain I register. I immediately catch all to a domain@myprimarydomain.com so I have all my email in one place. Most of its bullshit and spam, but the few interesting reach outs are usually worth it.
Yes, we released it recently last year. We fully support SMTP/IMAP/POP3, and are testing and improving our CalDAV implementation (calendar).
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Been using them on the paid plan for a 1yr+ and apart from working great and reliably I've been really appreciating how no-nonse and to the point their communication has been. Never realized it's also OSS, thank you for pointing that out! Really easy to set up too, just make sure to also set up DKIM/SPF/DMARC to make sure the forwarded emails don't go to spam.
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For every weary graybeard there is a bright-eyed & bushy-tailed young hacker eager to "stick it to the man" while also lacking in the experience of having been burned which forms the foundation of the cynicism from whence the weariness comes.
This isn’t a failure though. Getting bought out by a larger company is literally the aim of most startups
I hope you're wrong, but perhaps you're not and instead of "make something useful and/or new for people" startups just want to make something threatening enough to be destroyed or at best scraped for parts by a larger company so long as they get a payout.
Re: Privacy focused platform Skiff is joining Notion, Skiff to be sunset
#87Why would Notion shut down the email provider product? I understand sunsetting drive and rolling pages and calendar into Notion and Cron, respectively. But it would be pretty awesome if Notion had an email service. There’s nothing out there that’s as easy as Google Workspace (not even Proton’s suite—I use it personally) and I’d use Notion-plus-Skiff-and-Cron over Google Workspace any day. Huge miss…
Running mail is hard. Running mail is hard. Running mail is hard. Candidly, the ability to profit off of email as a service is probably not a challenge that many businesses are up to. Deliverability is a massive pain in the ass. Unless you have the team and are well established, starting up or re-badging a mail service would be a nightmare. Good email is expensive for a (bad) reason.
This really appears to be lost on HN and I have no idea why. It’s such a weird blindspot. I only see it said it displayed as extreme cynicism toward Google and Microsoft by people trying to run their own personal mail server, who after some polite prodding almost never seem to be doing bare minimum ‘best practices’ for getting their mail delivered.
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Yea that sure was fast. It's probably not sustainable/profitable to provide email for free
Privacy centric email can’t be sustainable or profitable for free. If it’s free then your data is the product.
Proton has had a freemium model since 2016 and take no VC money. The key seem to be a free plan that is cheap to operate and has some features limitation to push subscriptions. Free plan has at most 1GB of drive including mails. And has Limited number of calendars, alliasses and mail tags.
Proton paid plan is around 10$ a month so it isn't cheap. But cheap isn't sustainable.
Source : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acWkkLaEsrU (Proton CEO interview)
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That’s awesome. I didn’t realise you did email hosting, maybe that’s new? I’ve been using their email forwarding (paid) for a few years now. Great for side projects and any random domain I register. I immediately catch all to a domain@myprimarydomain.com so I have all my email in one place. Most of its bullshit and spam, but the few interesting reach outs are usually worth it.
Yes, we released it recently last year. We fully support SMTP/IMAP/POP3, and are testing and improving our CalDAV implementation (calendar).
Do you support CardDAV? So that I could also use forwardemail.net to sync my contacts between e.g.: my smartphone and my computer?
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
For every weary graybeard there is a bright-eyed & bushy-tailed young hacker eager to "stick it to the man" while also lacking in the experience of having been burned which forms the foundation of the cynicism from whence the weariness comes.
This isn’t a failure though. Getting bought out by a larger company is literally the aim of most startups
Another category in which I'm not most.