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Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by fortran77 »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #77
neilv wrote: post #10

The Flipper Zero is a general-purpose tool and STEM educational device. By banning the device, a country would be setting back their workforce of engineers and scientists a bit. How can you use a Flipper Zero to steal a car? Flipper Zero can't crack hard encryption. Is the real problem that cars were made with security that they already knew was negligently weak at the time? If so, is a recall of those cars more appr…

It's a script kiddie tool that requires zero knowledge of radio theory and programming.

I've learned a lot from mine, especially how many types of access control RFID work. And I've been working on commercial SDR projects for the past decade.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by mistrial9 »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #65
virtue3 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah fuck this. Someone on the plane I was on kept triggering it to do bluetooth attacks ('not your airpods') while I was trying to read (and have my earphones on connected via bluetooth so fuck me right?). There's hacked firmware's you can install [0]. I understand that there are probably tons of other devices like this out there but this one was SO fucking popular and easily accessible. I've already seen this thing…

I am on the fence here. In terms of difficulty, isn't it basically like surfing on someone's unprotected wifi and being surprised that someone can see what you are doing? I am not excusing the behavior, but I also don't see arrest as an appropriate remedy.

There are good reasons to ban a device like that on an active passenger flight. A modern airplane relies on a lot of radio frequency communication I think.. a reason for strict ban is - there is no feedback to the person in the passenger area when they stomp on some sensitive channel, or they may notice but find it exhilarating perhaps..

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by [deleted] »

photoGrant wrote: post #18

Banning a Flipper Zero for Car Thefts is like banning a BB Gun for Firearm Deaths.... You're targeting the wrong device lol. edit: Further perspective: You need something that can perform a relay attack. You need someone with a powerful enough antenna to find the remote inside someone's home and relay it to a person near the car. This involves at least 2x CC1101's > As you can see, small embedded antennas are very in…

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Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

mistrial9 wrote: post #82
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am on the fence here. In terms of difficulty, isn't it basically like surfing on someone's unprotected wifi and being surprised that someone can see what you are doing? I am not excusing the behavior, but I also don't see arrest as an appropriate remedy.

There are good reasons to ban a device like that on an active passenger flight. A modern airplane relies on a lot of radio frequency communication I think.. a reason for strict ban is - there is no feedback to the person in the passenger area when they stomp on some sensitive channel, or they may notice but find it exhilarating perhaps..

That seems reasonable to me, but I don't think that was the OPs proposition ( arrest the user ). Ban on a plane is fairly strong, but a lot more reasonable. At least compared to blank ban on electronics that included gameboys and walkmen, this one makes sense.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by morkalork »

andy99 wrote: post #2

This is typical. All this stuff about people knowing where their cars are and the police, CBSA etc not doing anything about it*, the complicity of all the port and shipping people, but the government pretends banning some electronics will change something. I don't know what people expected from a "summit" or whatever they did, there are lots of clear steps we could take, but instead we get this. *see https://www.cbc.…

Well you see, adding the name of a consumer device to a list of prohibited items is easy and costs nearly nothing. On the other hand, unfucking inter-jurisdiction cooperation and rooting out organized crime from the ports is hard.

See also:

- banning various types of (previously) legal firearms vs cracking down on illicit handguns being smuggled in over the border from the US

- banning purchase of property by foreign owners vs addressing supply

- banning single use plastics vs buying a goddamn oil pipeline for billions of dollars rather than cutting oil extraction subsidies

etc. etc.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by userbinator »

xvector wrote: post #52

This is what happens when you let your government run wild. You can't carry a pocketknife in the UK, you can't carry a Flipper in Canada. Insane. I genuinely hope the US does not become even more of a farce of a democracy like these two. Soon our own fingers will be banned "for our own safety."

And yet, cannabis is legal.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by barbazoo »

evandale wrote: post #60
barbazoo wrote: post #45

It not banned yet: might be worth to send comments to Jean-Sebastien.Comeau@iga-aig.gc.ca the email address on that page. > Office of the Honourable Dominic LeBlanc Minister of Public Safety, Democratic Institutions and Intergovernmental Affairs

I tried emailing that address but got this back: mailer-daemon@googlemail.com An error occurred. Your message was not sent.

Good job government *facepalm*

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by dghlsakjg »

mistrial9 wrote: post #82
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am on the fence here. In terms of difficulty, isn't it basically like surfing on someone's unprotected wifi and being surprised that someone can see what you are doing? I am not excusing the behavior, but I also don't see arrest as an appropriate remedy.

There are good reasons to ban a device like that on an active passenger flight. A modern airplane relies on a lot of radio frequency communication I think.. a reason for strict ban is - there is no feedback to the person in the passenger area when they stomp on some sensitive channel, or they may notice but find it exhilarating perhaps..

I'm a private pilot, but I can't think of any flight critical systems that could really be impacted, especially since the Flipper Zero is very low power. I suppose that it could affect cabin systems like on-board purchasing or seatback entertainment. An unlocked android phone has very similar hardware and capabilities.

This is in no way an endorsement of fucking around with one on an airplane, or even off an airplane when used without the consent of the target.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by defrost »

xvector wrote: post #80
defrost wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK knife law allows you to carry non-locking pocket knives with a blade length up to 3 inches (7.62 cm) without any need for a valid reason. https://www.knivesandtools.com/en/ct/uk-knife-laws.htm If you've got a job related need to carry a mofo knife (cane cutting with a machete) there's no drama. Yes, it's regulated - but it's not what you claim it to be. Next you'll be claiming there's no guns in Australia.

There is nothing wrong with locking knives. They are much safer to use for most tasks, including cutting thick cardboard, difficult food (cheeses), etc. I've brought >3in locking knives to picnics[1]. They are quite useful. The law against locking knives is probably responsible for a few Briton fingers being chopped off and has stopped precisely zero violent criminals. "Gravity knives" are banned too. Why? They are s…

> There is nothing wrong with locking knives.

I'm fine with them.

> Stop trying to justify this ridiculousness.

I haven't tried to.

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