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Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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> It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. There's a problem with your line of thinking. E.g., I remember the epiphany when I realized that a particular C codebase was an implementation of a (more or less) object-oriented dynamic programming language. Ooh, here's the part that implements classes. Here's the part that instantiates the…

There's also a problem with your line of thinking: you are not a child. You do not have the neuroplasticity they do. Their brains are learning in ways that we simply cannot any longer; it' a real apples:oranges situation.

The belief that adult brains can’t change after childhood has been debunked. There are dramatic changes in the first two years of life our brain never loses its ability to form new connections and most children with iPads are older than 2.

Neuroplasticity as a concept is challenging but even when Torsten Wiesel was sewing kitten and cat eyes shut the adults could adapt. And the claims that the kittens rewired more are problematic.

The neurons originally attuned to the closed eye did not acquire new functions, they heightened their response to the input from the open eye.

The responses were always there. Just at low levels.

Free time to to dedicate for building tactic knowledge is the main limiter for adults and not hard wiring.

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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This trait must serve us in some capacity. You see this with children and iPads. My kids know 3x what I did when I was their same age. It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level. Much like when I am programming on a sideproject and my focus is…

> It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level.

To me, it feels like some type of "pleasure center" trigger. I was talking to a psychologist once and what she said resonated with me. We were/are both middle-aged and she said something to the effect of, "When we were kids, our games were, at best, a '7' (out of 10). These days, all popular entertainment is a '10+.' Hard to compete."

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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I actually researched writing a proxy that would intercept and rewrite Youtube's JSON API responses with pre-selected, educational videos. This is how much I hate their recommendation algorithm. That way, the Youtube app appears to work the same. It's just that those videos that are blacklisted in the recommendation response, e.g. all the videos with the word 'minecraft' in the title, would be replaced with Youtube s…

Have you considered YT kids?

Have you considered SatanTube™ kids?

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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> OpenAI researcher Harri Edwards tells Quartz that the idea for letting the AI agent flip through channels came from a thought experiment called the noisy-TV problem. The static on a TV is immensely random, so a curious AI agent could never truly predict what would happen next, and get drawn into watching the TV forever. In the real world, you could think of it as something completely random, like the way light shimmers off a waterfall...

This is a great thought experiment but they're using the wrong metric. Animals are wired to seek information, not noise. We understand that there is nothing to be learned by absorbing noise.

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also a problem with your line of thinking: you are not a child. You do not have the neuroplasticity they do. Their brains are learning in ways that we simply cannot any longer; it' a real apples:oranges situation.

The belief that adult brains can’t change after childhood has been debunked. There are dramatic changes in the first two years of life our brain never loses its ability to form new connections and most children with iPads are older than 2. Neuroplasticity as a concept is challenging but even when Torsten Wiesel was sewing kitten and cat eyes shut the adults could adapt. And the claims that the kittens rewired more ar…

An accessable cite for the above claim that neuroplasticity not existing in adults is a myth.

https://solportal.ibe-unesco.org/articles/neuroplasticity-ho...

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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This trait must serve us in some capacity. You see this with children and iPads. My kids know 3x what I did when I was their same age. It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level. Much like when I am programming on a sideproject and my focus is…

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Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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This trait must serve us in some capacity. You see this with children and iPads. My kids know 3x what I did when I was their same age. It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level. Much like when I am programming on a sideproject and my focus is…

Minecraft can be good for learning, it encourages creativity, especially with things like redstone. It probably depends on the type of video though

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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This trait must serve us in some capacity. You see this with children and iPads. My kids know 3x what I did when I was their same age. It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level. Much like when I am programming on a sideproject and my focus is…

> It's as if something can finally fill their bandwidth, keep up with their thoughts, and answer those questions in real-time. No wonder they get angry when it's time to put away the iPad - they're engaged at a high level.

Or they are angry because by taking away the iPad you are interrupting their dopamine rush. Whether your iPad + Internet/social media/YouTube is engaging them to fullest maximizing growth potentiation or is simply turning their brains into dopamine chasing crack heads is up for debate. It may be somewhere in the middle and whether the positives outweigh the negatives is individual for each child/person and how and how often they engage with it.

Regardless, I think there are more variables at play than you outline above.

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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This reminds me of the murder bot book series by Martha Wells. The main character (an advanced ai robot) started really enjoying human media and even used media as a bargaining chip to work with other bots. One striking moment was when the main character was discussing a rogue and violent robot with a transport bot. “ART said, What does it want? To kill all the humans, I answered. I could feel ART metaphorically clut…

I just read that quote last night, what a coincidence!

Re: Give AI curiosity, and it will watch TV forever (2018)

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I would also like this for myself. Lol

LOL guys isn't that so hard not to watch dumb or short or news videos from your main account? My recommendations are never game videos, and rarely less than 1 hour videos because guess what? I seldomly watch videos which are less than 1 hour and never watch games.

On Youtube lately, I have lately mostly been watching videos on metal smelting and ancient Mesopotamia.

There are conspiracies about these topics, apparently. I wouldn't have thought so. But the Youtube algorithm manages to dredge them up.

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