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Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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That's so sad. I'm pretty militantly anti-spider but jumping spiders, despite seeming like they were sent from hell to terrify us, are just little furry big-eyed arthro-bros

Then why do our genetic memories compel us to be terrified of them

You say "compel" like you have no choice. Our instincts push us to do all kinds of irrational things. Try not to do them.

Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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I forget who said this or exactly what they said, but someone has pointed out that the more research humans conduct the more we find that animals and even plants are more complex, more intelligent and more sophisticated than we thought. It is worth keeping this in mind the next time someone tells you a small creature (perhaps a crustacean) cannot feel or think or do something that would mean we ought to be less cruel…

That's great, but if I ever see a jumping spider in my house then I will not hesitate to murder it in cold blood.

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Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

#83

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Then why do our genetic memories compel us to be terrified of them

You say "compel" like you have no choice. Our instincts push us to do all kinds of irrational things. Try not to do them.

I felt a compulsion to respond snarkily to this comment, but I believe I've pretty successfully avoided doing so

Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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Even if we are predisposed to be fearful of spiders, so what? Not all spiders are the same, and jumping spiders are certainly 100% harmless to humans of all sizes. Why not work on promoting that experience and rationality override any (often mistaken) primal urges that we have?

Why did we gain those instincts in the first place. What is nature trying to warn us

May be because of their unpredictability owing to their jumpiness? That seems very reasonable since humans do instinctually stay away from unpredictable organisms/animals in nature. That unpredictability doesn’t always have to correlate with the real dangerousness of those creatures.

Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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That's great, but if I ever see a jumping spider in my house then I will not hesitate to murder it in cold blood.

I take the opposite approach - any spider I see inside, even Black Widows, I carry outside in a cup. At least they then have a chance. And Widows will do their level best to nest somewhere far out-of-site and never bother you. I also encourage my neighbors to not sterilize around their houses with industrial bug spray because spiders and bugs are 99,999/100,000, nothing but beneficial.

Same. It can get tiresome in CA though! I'll take widows over recluses any day.

On the one occasion where I found an infestation too extensive to relocate (under almost every one of my outdoor chairs), I tried bug spray. Horrible. Thanks to CA's hysterical bans on everything, the spray is ineffective and merely tortures the spiders and often leaves them alive but maimed. I felt terrible. Never again.

Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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Why did we gain those instincts in the first place. What is nature trying to warn us

Should we also kill all the other human-tribes then? I can’t believe how frequently I have to say this to people: instinct is far from reason.

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Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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The more I learn about various living beings around us, the more I'm convinced that they are all unique, individual people, with unique opinions and desires. They have unique DNA and unique personalities. If you've ever spent an extended period of time with any animal, you know that they all have different personalities and opinions that differ from other animals of the same species, eerily similar to humans. They tr…

How did you discover plants have unique opinions?

You could try to create an account for them on hn?

Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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That's so sad. I'm pretty militantly anti-spider but jumping spiders, despite seeming like they were sent from hell to terrify us, are just little furry big-eyed arthro-bros

They even kill insects for us

They eat the other creatures that only come out at night.. Which do you prefer?

Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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The more I learn about various living beings around us, the more I'm convinced that they are all unique, individual people, with unique opinions and desires. They have unique DNA and unique personalities. If you've ever spent an extended period of time with any animal, you know that they all have different personalities and opinions that differ from other animals of the same species, eerily similar to humans. They tr…

How did you discover plants have unique opinions?

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Re: Researchers find signs of intelligence among jumping spiders

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I forget who said this or exactly what they said, but someone has pointed out that the more research humans conduct the more we find that animals and even plants are more complex, more intelligent and more sophisticated than we thought. It is worth keeping this in mind the next time someone tells you a small creature (perhaps a crustacean) cannot feel or think or do something that would mean we ought to be less cruel…

That's great, but if I ever see a jumping spider in my house then I will not hesitate to murder it in cold blood.

I think you are trying to come off as like, cute or funny or ironic or something. But I think this attitude is impoverished. Unless you live in a place that has spiders which are particularly dangerous to humans or pets, most spiders are just another little bug that has no interest in harming you.

Over the last ten years I went from smashing every bug I saw in my house to taking a moment to carefully scoop it up with paper or a cup and then take it outside. Most bugs (at least in my area) are safe to handle. Instead of seeing them as a threat to be destroyed, I recognize that they are innocent creatures that have no desire to mess with me, and I can serve as a steward to move them somewhere more acceptable.

There are some exceptions - pest creatures which nest in your walls or go after your food which must be exterminated to ensure a safe living environment for your home - but most often I just find little bugs trying to do their own thing, and I take a moment to provide them a little care so we don't get in each other's way.

I think this mindset helps me be more respectful of all living creatures, rather than presuming I have the right to kill those which I dislike.

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