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Re: Reasons medieval people slept in cupboards

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Post by kjs3 »

xdavidliu wrote: post #56
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #37

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> It's bad because you are isolated. You need to get grounded in order to sleep properly: > https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15650465/ This was published by the Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, which has also published articles on how homeopathy is effective. I don't know that I would consider it a high quality source.

I noticed the same thing, but this makes me more concerned: the link has nih.gov in it. Usually when I read articles from that URL, I tend to put a bit more trust in them than say healthline.org or some blogspam or something like that. Does this mean I have to start taking nih.gov articles with a grain of salt too?

Probably some powerful/connected 'teach the controversy' snake-oil peddlers forced the NIH to publish this. At least they were able to segregate the woo off into it's own section.

Re: Reasons medieval people slept in cupboards

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Post by readthenotes1 »

nradov wrote: post #78
readthenotes1 wrote: post #28

These remind me of one of Christopher Alexander's design patterns. He said children's rooms should be actually a room with a shared play space in the middle and cubbies built into the walls on the side with curtains for privacy.

Many of Alexander's "design patterns" were terrible for actual living on a reasonable budget. Like what are you supposed to do with that space when the children get older? I read the book and was not impressed.

That space takes less than having a room for every child. And the answer to your question is, like with every parent whose child has left home, whatever you want including moving somewhere else.

Maybe we read a different book though. I remember Patterns about properly designing parks and communities, and even some on house design but none of them seemed expensive.

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Post by fuzztester »

timthelion wrote: post #22
fuzztester wrote: post #21

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I've heard or read people say that hundreds of years ago people were taller than now. even much taller. no idea if that is true or not.

This is false. If you're ever in Europe come visit an old castle, the kings of old slept on what would today be seen as child sized beds.

incomplete argument. those could have been the beds of their children. not saying you are wrong, but you would need to substantiate it better, imo, to convince.

Re: Reasons medieval people slept in cupboards

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Post by sowerssix »

ametrau wrote: post #51
aksss wrote: post #36

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Not having dukes around, along with higher global avg prosperity, is also a very recent trend. And seemingly a pretty good one.

Yeah. Screw dukes.

Careful with talk like that, one might be about, might take offense and want to um, them it out..

I'll see myself out.

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Post by mlrtime »

wsgeorge wrote: post #55
mlrtime wrote: post #29

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The newest term is "Owners Retreat" Imagine a large American 2 story house, where the "Owners Retreat" is on the first floor, a single bedroom, bathroom, multiple cosets sometimes with a small separate kitchenette, laundry, and reading/tv/living space.

> The newest term is "Owners Retreat" This makes a lot more sense for what I'm planning to build. We're used to calling it "Master bedroom" where I'm from, but I always imagined I'd want some sort of suite or apartment, separate from the rest of the house.

Late reply but here is an example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INFPFC1P-iw

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Post by aredox »

cardanome wrote: post #54
Ekaros wrote: post #48

We often forget just how revolutionary proper insulation and central heating really is. For example in many climates castles were not great places to live in. You simply can't heat that amount of stone and space effectively. And similar thing also went to most buildings.

That is not completely true. The problem is that stone is what survived the centuries while the wood that was used to make the rooms more comely did not hence our modern picture of cold and windy castles. They were not as luxurious as our modern living but people still did their best to make their living spaces comfortable. They didn't just sit in windy castles freezing their butts off every day. Most of the huge sto…

There was also plenty of tapestry hanged everywhere. Tapestry making was elevated, in France at least, to the level of a royal manufacture.

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Post by gizmo686 »

wsgeorge wrote: post #55
mlrtime wrote: post #29

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The newest term is "Owners Retreat" Imagine a large American 2 story house, where the "Owners Retreat" is on the first floor, a single bedroom, bathroom, multiple cosets sometimes with a small separate kitchenette, laundry, and reading/tv/living space.

> The newest term is "Owners Retreat" This makes a lot more sense for what I'm planning to build. We're used to calling it "Master bedroom" where I'm from, but I always imagined I'd want some sort of suite or apartment, separate from the rest of the house.

There called an in-law suite here, and are generally used as a form of multi-generational housing when old parents move in with their adult child.

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Post by merry_flame »

brtkdotse wrote: post #18
gizmo686 wrote: post #13

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In the current culture bedrooms are more than simply a place to sleep. In multi-member households, a bedroom is typically a person's only personal space.

“Personal space” for anyone below the rank of, say, a duke is a very recent trend

Cliché, but completely untrue. Personal space in general is a very recent trend. No one with a retinue, servants or a big family has personal space…

Re: Reasons medieval people slept in cupboards

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Post by merry_flame »

tim333 wrote: post #83

I've slept in kind of a modern version in Singapore like this https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Customized-Good-quali... They are quite a good solution for backpacker type accom. I don't know if they could be used for homeless folk?

Check out Hong Kong cage homes. Tiny shared spaces would require a lot of discipline to successfully pull off.
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