> Louisiana Chemical Association President Greg Bowser responded to President Biden's remarks on the region, refuting claims that residents of the industrial corridor have a higher risk of developing cancer in multiple articles. I don't doubt his sincerity...but this illustrates how far people are willing to go to keep power. It is sad to think that a person would ignore evidence that their business kills people to p…
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#82> Louisiana Chemical Association President Greg Bowser responded to President Biden's remarks on the region, refuting claims that residents of the industrial corridor have a higher risk of developing cancer in multiple articles. I don't doubt his sincerity...but this illustrates how far people are willing to go to keep power. It is sad to think that a person would ignore evidence that their business kills people to p…
> " It is sad to think that a person would ignore evidence that their business kills people to protect profit. " Saudi Arabia has pledged to bring down their fossil fuel emissions, publicly launching the "Saudi Green Initiative" in 2022, signing the Paris Climate agreement, endorsing the UN's climate goals. They've also seen that there's a "risk" of reduced oil demand around the world and quietly setup the "Oil-deman…
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#83I just saw this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT9mrbIxeBE and it sounded like an interesting topic to bring on HN. I didn't know about the "Cancer Alley" in Louisiana, but I figure most countries have their own alleys of death. I live in Italy and Taranto is notorious for this reason. The city was home to one of biggest steel producers in Europe. The local economy revolved around the steel plant, but people f…
I wonder about the historical trends in these types of zones. Presumably they didn't exist prior to the industrial revolution?
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#84California has its own version of this in the north east Bay Area- with a high density of refineries blowing directly downwind into dense poor communities. Chevron owns and pays for the local newspaper covering that area, which spreads misinformation about the health risks to the community. It amazes me you have this dense urban area with ultra strict vehicle emissions rules, where low income people struggle to get t…
Still I agree with you that there should be almost zero tolerance for any emissions and an "oopsie" every year should be met with a fine of a year's profits every year then.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
In addition many whites moved to Ascension Parish in spite of the pollution for the well paying jobs that required relatively little education.
Yup. The entire area is full of white folks with barely high school educations who are living a fantasy life by making great money through a lot of overtime at chemical refineries. Take away the refineries and you've got nothing left to sustain any of that economy. The entire metro New Orleans system would collapse within years outside of a few tourist traps and the ports.
It's always easier to play the race card than to tackle even more intractable issues that may be caught up in "the cost of doing business".
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#87California has its own version of this in the north east Bay Area- with a high density of refineries blowing directly downwind into dense poor communities. Chevron owns and pays for the local newspaper covering that area, which spreads misinformation about the health risks to the community. It amazes me you have this dense urban area with ultra strict vehicle emissions rules, where low income people struggle to get t…
What came first, the refinery or the people? It was the refinery in most (all?) of those cases in north east Bay Area. People chose to get more bang for their buck and live near an oil refinery (but doesn't excuse any misinformation about the risks), like people move next to railroad tracks and then complain about the noise and want them to stop blowing horns. Still I agree with you that there should be almost zero t…
In the case of Richmond, the poor black communities directly downstream of the plant are mostly descended from the workers brought in to build liberty ships during World War II. This was during a time when black people were legally restricted from getting decent jobs other than these temporary wartime exceptions, so moving to this place was their only opportunity to get a decent job. They lacked the legal freedom to make a choice about where to live in the sense you are implying, because of racist laws.
As a society, it is time to look at phasing these refineries out entirely, rather than relocating them. We already have the technology to do transportation in other ways, and it's already much cheaper when you count all of the health and environmental externalities. Already, 50% of diesel fuel in California is from renewable biomass, so you don't need an electric car for non-petroleum transportation. One of the north bay refineries was shut down a few years back, and converted to a renewable diesel plant.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
What came first, the refinery or the people? It was the refinery in most (all?) of those cases in north east Bay Area. People chose to get more bang for their buck and live near an oil refinery (but doesn't excuse any misinformation about the risks), like people move next to railroad tracks and then complain about the noise and want them to stop blowing horns. Still I agree with you that there should be almost zero t…
The refineries were there first, well before these areas were populated at all. I don't think that should give them a forever license to massively pollute. Back when they were built, and started to become populated the health risks were unknown... the people living there now mostly grew up there, and there was never a conscious choice to move somewhere dangerous. In the case of Richmond, the poor black communities di…
2 out of 5 of them were just announced to be converted[0].
[0] https://www.ktvu.com/news/2-of-5-of-bay-area-refineries-to-s...
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
The refineries were there first, well before these areas were populated at all. I don't think that should give them a forever license to massively pollute. Back when they were built, and started to become populated the health risks were unknown... the people living there now mostly grew up there, and there was never a conscious choice to move somewhere dangerous. In the case of Richmond, the poor black communities di…
Not much to disagree with. 2 out of 5 of them were just announced to be converted[0]. [0] https://www.ktvu.com/news/2-of-5-of-bay-area-refineries-to-s...