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Re: Order/license chaos for VMware products after Broadcom takeover

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Post by sofixa » Tue, Jan 16, 2024, 6:26 PM UTC

grepfru_it wrote: post #79

sofixa wrote: post #75

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No two environments are the same. Instead of looking for a like for like total replacement (even though you actually don't use all VMware features or use some only because they were the only way possible in VMware's ecosystem and not because they're actually any good (vRA, Log Insight)), evaluate your actual needs and what do you need to run under what conditions. You'll probably end up discovering that any of Proxmo…

You will also probably end up discovering your costs drastically inflate. There is a reason why companies stick with bundled products. Find a way to bundle that mismash of software you mentioned into a single pane of glass with a 4 year support guarantee and you will be rich. You will quickly find out why it hasn’t been done and why Redhat and Microsoft look so promising after all

Ha, nonsense. VMware products are notoriously super expensive. From discussions with people at organisation switching to alternatives, their cost are going down 30-50%, with all the added benefits of a proper modern orchestrator instead of an obsolete hardware simulator. (Stuff like having a way of securely introducing secrets or security authenticating workloads, or integrated deployments, healthchecks, etc.)

Also, "bundled" stuff constraints you. You're forced into using VMware's crap orchestrator or log management tool because it's the one that works best with the mess that is other VMware products.

Re: Order/license chaos for VMware products after Broadcom takeover

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Post by sofixa » Wed, Jan 17, 2024, 9:26 AM UTC

grepfru_it wrote: post #78

AviationAtom wrote: post #72

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OpenStack

So 10 years ago I was part of a project which pitted VMware vsphere against openstack. VMware was cheaper opex by a factor of 4 and they were using ESXi as the hypervisor. Openstack is a non starter for enterprise environments. Now with containers and kubernetes being the standard, openstack is another very very heavy distribution your organization must maintain

> VMware was cheaper opex by a factor of 4 and they were using ESXi as the hypervisor

How could it be 4x cheaper in Opex when OpenStack is an open source project with multiple competing vendors available if you want support? In terms of non-licensing costs, OpenStack has a few more services that need to be deployed separately, but I don't see that costing 4x, especially when those services often don't have VMware equivalents.

Re: Order/license chaos for VMware products after Broadcom takeover

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Post by hitpointdrew » Wed, Jan 17, 2024, 7:30 PM UTC

icedchai wrote: post #35

hitpointdrew wrote: post #32

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Like what? There is no real open source comparable option to VMware if are running your own hypervisors. KVM? Not even close, you need a host of other tools to get what you have with esxi and vcenter. You’ll spend months just finding and configuring a disjointed hodgepodge of tools to get what you could have setup in a day. And even then you have a fargile system that is likely to break any time you update one tool i…

KVM works great. Do you think major cloud providers are building everything on VMware?

>KVM works great. Do you think major cloud providers are building everything on VMware?

Major cloud providers have huge teams developing their compute as a service, that is what they do, that is the bread and butter.

I don't have the resources and team size to hack our own hypervisor/on-prem cloud solution.

I have a team of 3 people, that is it. I can't put 5 people on designing and maintaining a hodgepodge solution of various tools that get us to where vmware already has us. I need a turn-key solution that a small team can manage.

Re: Order/license chaos for VMware products after Broadcom takeover

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Post by hitpointdrew » Wed, Jan 17, 2024, 7:33 PM UTC

bdhcuidbebe wrote: post #51

hitpointdrew wrote: post #32

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Like what? There is no real open source comparable option to VMware if are running your own hypervisors. KVM? Not even close, you need a host of other tools to get what you have with esxi and vcenter. You’ll spend months just finding and configuring a disjointed hodgepodge of tools to get what you could have setup in a day. And even then you have a fargile system that is likely to break any time you update one tool i…

Theres clouds built with KVM, you dont know your stuff.

> Theres clouds built with KVM

No shit, they have huge teams and this is their bread and butter. I have 3 people. I do know my stuff, which is why I would never use KVM and try to match that to the features VMWare gives me with a team of 3 (including myself).

Re: Order/license chaos for VMware products after Broadcom takeover

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Post by vishesh92 » Fri, Jan 19, 2024, 10:19 PM UTC

hitpointdrew wrote: post #32

miohtama wrote: post #29

Another story on why vendor lock in is bad and you should only build your business on the top of open source products.

Like what? There is no real open source comparable option to VMware if are running your own hypervisors. KVM? Not even close, you need a host of other tools to get what you have with esxi and vcenter. You’ll spend months just finding and configuring a disjointed hodgepodge of tools to get what you could have setup in a day. And even then you have a fargile system that is likely to break any time you update one tool i…

I am running Apache CloudStack with KVM in my homelab. Took me a couple of hours to set it up.

It might not have all of the features of VMWare but it just works.