Huge “Thank you!” to Matt and Sentry for writing and sharing this article. Should our paths ever cross, the drinks are on me.
We removed advertising cookies, here's what happened
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Re: We removed advertising cookies, here's what happened
#82EDIT: classic, didn't dig into the context, assumed Sentry was some ad ecosystem middleman -- apologies for the below (will leave as it was because there are child comments). These guys have a real product doing real things. ---- It's fascinating to me how this org (and so many others) are hard at work, day in and day out, basically shovelling garbage into peoples' faces. They produce absolutely nothing of value (oth…
Sentry produces nothing of value? You don't value an open source error tracking and performance monitoring platform? https://github.com/getsentry/sentry
Re: We removed advertising cookies, here's what happened
#83I don't know why sentry ads is popping up so often on Reddit. And they even turn off commenting. Very unusual for an open source developer tool.
Re: We removed advertising cookies, here's what happened
#84The title is quite clickbaity, especially since sibling comments say that the article doesn't tell what happened.
So you didn't even read an article you describe as "clickbaity"? Maybe try reading it, there's a lot of "what happened" in there.
I judge the headline as clickbait as well, and skipped reading it because of it.
Sounds like I made the right decision based on other comments.
It (probably) could've easily said, in say one to ten words, what actually happened, in the headline, so that I could decide whether I wanted to read into the details or whether it didn't interest me at all.
With the headline being "something happened" and you'll have to read multiple paragraphs before you find out anything at all, I'm immediately put off. I feel like my time is being wasted.
Entice me by describing an interesting outcome in the headline, that I want to read more about, or inform me, in the headline, that it's not an article for me.
Attempting to artificially drive more traffic and eyeballs to an article, by withholding details in the headline of what it is about, is the definition of clickbait in my book.
Re: We removed advertising cookies, here's what happened
#85> 42.7% of internet users worldwide use ad blockers.
Given how many people I know that still type google into the google search bar, I find this number to be extraordinarily high.
Re: We removed advertising cookies, here's what happened
#86EDIT: classic, didn't dig into the context, assumed Sentry was some ad ecosystem middleman -- apologies for the below (will leave as it was because there are child comments). These guys have a real product doing real things. ---- It's fascinating to me how this org (and so many others) are hard at work, day in and day out, basically shovelling garbage into peoples' faces. They produce absolutely nothing of value (oth…
I’m with you in theory, but Sentry is for error ingestion, not for tracking users. We find it quite useful for discovering client-side errors we’d otherwise be blind to.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Trying to shove Google into my face will meet the same reaction as trying to shove ads in my face. Getting blocked. You will have a hard time browsing the web, including this site ;)
> You will have a hard time browsing the web, including this site ;) No, HN works even js disabled. I did this experiment a while ago, blocking google in my hosts file. Usually fonts break (arrows, icons), and javascript breaks (reddit and stackoverflow need google ajax jquery to uncollapse collapsed messages). But in general most of the web is usable. In theory it should be possible to host fonts and jquery locally,…
Maybe you can "mock" google domains and serve them locally?
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#88I'm not a developer and have no use case for your service but thanks for the forward thinking, experimenting, transparency, and efforts to improve one of the things that enshi*ified the Web.
And I'm not a marketer so maybe I am mistaken, but from what I read it sounded like they're fetching about for different ways to enshitify the web.
Re: We removed advertising cookies, here's what happened
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a user you'll probably find you get more clickbait, more ads, more paywalls, less access to high quailty content, etc as publishers scramble to survive. (Because the value of their ad inventory drops.) And as marketing is less efficient, higher budgets are required to drive the same results. We can potentially expect to see these costs gradually passed on to the consumers and watch more businesses fail.
How many times do you actually click on, or buy things from the ads you are shown? You make it sound like we should all be grateful. Like ads are adding value to our lives. They don't. Outside of marketing, nobody cares about ads. We train our cognition to cancel out ads. We avoid them. The only people looking at ads and appreciating them are the ones, like yourself, who find them useful for things nobody asked for.…
Well said. I'm also perplexed and frustrated by all the ad-tech apologists I'm hearing lately both here and IRL. There's the soft "no alternatives!" version where ads and enshittification are some kind of obviously necessary force of nature that we should expect and just have to deal with, and the more extreme stance that it's actively good for us somehow.
Anyway like many other humans on the internet, I've been tracked for decades now and somehow the junk thrust on me is still not even close to relevant for my demographic, and it's usually like they don't even know my gender or age group within 20 years. Except of course surely FANG have figured that out, so are they just routinely defrauding people that buy "targeted" ads and throwing them at any random eyeballs they have access to? It sounds paranoid to think that a crime on that scale would exist since it seems hard to pull off or keep quiet, so I guess we just keep listening to self-reported statistics that every dollar spent on ads wins $8 in sales. But.. I'm glad it's not my dollar
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sometimes I think the ad industry made up the misleading term cookie-banner. At least GDPR does not limit the technology used for collecting personal information. You still need to ask for consent if you track users with some other technology. Using cookies does not require consent under GDPR, collecting and sharing PII does though (if not necessary for the service to function)
It's the ePrivacy Directive (and not the GDPR) that prohibits storing any data on the user's machines unless they are a) strictly necessary to provide the service, or b) the user consents.
Thanks for the correction. But the point still stands. This isn't about cookies per se, but about not extracting value from a user beyond what the service needs when users do not consent.