I love that Google are willing to such a big swing at Microsoft in the text of this announcement - I just wish AWS wasn't so badly shackled busy it's marketing and PR people these days.
Removing data transfer fees when moving off Google Cloud
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
> With Ethernet, applications and network stacks (the usual kind — see below) ought to do their best to control congestion Exactly. Network endpoints infer things about how to behave optimally. Then they put their frame on the wire and hope. The things that make it possible to use those networks at high load ratios are in the smart endpoints: pacing, entropy, flow rate control, etc. It has nothing at all to do with t…
> high load ratios A ratio has a numerator and a denominator. I can run some fancy software and get (data rate / nominal network bandwidth) to be some value. But the denominator is a function of the network. I can get a few tens of 10Gbps links all connected together with a non-gold-plated nonblocking switch that’s fairly inexpensive (and even cheaper in the secondary market!), and each node can get, say, 50% of 10Gb…
I think one thing that's different about GCP is that Google itself is such an overwhelming tenant. If you read their SDN papers, their long-distance networks are operated near 100% nameplate capacity. For Google, I don't think squeezing customer flows is free.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the "Legacy" and "licensing" portions are specifically calling out MS and Oracle, but they very sneakily are calling AWS out too on the fact that egress makes it insanely expensive to leave their platform. I've worked at some orgs where to either move their data out of S3 would cost $20k, or to even delete it would cost thousands in API calls.
You don't need the "I think" for Microsoft: while not mentioned directly, the links on "unfair legacy software" points to Microsoft.
Oracle is what popped into my mind.
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#84Hi. I fix AWS bills for a living and also shitpost a lot. This is a smart play that costs them basically nothing. Remember that egressing data costs customers at worst 3x the monthly cost of storing it. Nobody is avoiding leaving because of the egress fee. What this does do is assuage the “lock-in” fear common in cloud-reluctant customers, while presents them as being forward thinking. I’ve never heard of a cloud mig…
> also shitpost a lot
The parent poster https://twitter.com/QuinnyPig is one of my favorite Twitter accounts. Every day he gives me renewed hope that, no matter how much I wish I had more time to devote to developer experience for people using the internal tools and APIs I design on the startup side of things... at least it'll be better than the DX and customer service provided by the biggest players providing infrastructure to our entire industry :)
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#85The cynical might wonder if this is a precursor to Google closing down its cloud. They can't really shut Google Cloud down and still be charging people to exit. And if they had suddenly seen the light on egress fees then surely they would have cut egress fees everywhere..... the fact that it's only on account closure is kinda suspicious.
> They can't really shut Google Cloud down and still be charging people to exit.
I'm not quite sure about this. Obviously they don't do it now, but I wouldn't have put it beyond them.
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#87In europe they will not be able to charge egress at all starting next year i think. I wonder if that’s related development
Re: Removing data transfer fees when moving off Google Cloud
#88Hi. I fix AWS bills for a living and also shitpost a lot. This is a smart play that costs them basically nothing. Remember that egressing data costs customers at worst 3x the monthly cost of storing it. Nobody is avoiding leaving because of the egress fee. What this does do is assuage the “lock-in” fear common in cloud-reluctant customers, while presents them as being forward thinking. I’ve never heard of a cloud mig…
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Re: Removing data transfer fees when moving off Google Cloud
#89The cynical might wonder if this is a precursor to Google closing down its cloud. They can't really shut Google Cloud down and still be charging people to exit. And if they had suddenly seen the light on egress fees then surely they would have cut egress fees everywhere..... the fact that it's only on account closure is kinda suspicious.
Closing down within a year of it finally becoming profitable.. That would be a plot twist!
Re: Removing data transfer fees when moving off Google Cloud
#90The cynical might wonder if this is a precursor to Google closing down its cloud. They can't really shut Google Cloud down and still be charging people to exit. And if they had suddenly seen the light on egress fees then surely they would have cut egress fees everywhere..... the fact that it's only on account closure is kinda suspicious.
Shutting down a $30B+ business would be such a ridiculous, yet Google-esque decision. It would also be a huge shame for consumers - the public cloud is already an Oligopoly