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Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by cco »

sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #4

> Tesla’s reasoning for going away with a method universally used for signaling turn for decades is that it enables them to remove a physical part, the stalk, and it believes activating a turn signal will soon be unnecessary with the advent of self-driving. That is some impressive levels of "we know better than you / everyone else" thinking.

What's frustrating is that the pre-2024 Model 3 and Ys are nearly peak car. Their only faults are all self imposed design decisions.

Using a more traditional cruise control (lane keep, speed keep etc) and breaking out some of the climate controls as physical buttons are basically the only things I'd change.

Otherwise the cars are basically the perfect expression of a "Car". They're smooth, quiet, quick, reasonably comfortable and inexpensive and behave exactly as you'd expect a modern car to behave.

Oh, I suppose their suspension leaves a little to be desired? Nit picking at that point though.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by dzhiurgis »

taylodl wrote: post #74
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #48

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I'm really glad Tesla has shown their true self over the last few years. I've been in "maybe get a new car in a year or so" mode for a few years but haven't pulled the trigger yet for a variety of reasons. When that conversation in my head started, Tesla was absolutely in the mix. Now? Maybe if you gave me one for free, but I'm sure not buying one.

I'm in the same boat. Pretty sure I'm not buying a Tesla, but also pretty sure I'll still be buying a BEV.

Write down what you get from each and at what cost. You'd have to have extremely strong opinions to buy anything else than Tesla.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by fubbernuckin »

throwitaway222 wrote: post #29

Apple used to get a lot of slack for removing things- USB-A, Headphones, CD Drive, Network Jack, etc... But in the end, many (but not all) of those things ended up being totally unnecessary - they were perhaps just a year or so ahead of their time. That being said, making a turn signal a screen button? Unless AI can replace all of this soon, which I think is not the case (and not the case for the 4th year in a row).…

This is less like getting rid of an obsolete standard and more like your mouse sensitivity now changes based on where it is on the screen (except in this example if you misclick you risk someone getting hurt or killed).

It's just making an easy task you need to do harder for no reason in a context where making mistakes can have dire consequences.

Also I still use USB A, headphone jacks, and network jacks regularly on my devices.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by gambiting »

samstave wrote: post #55
gambiting wrote: post #41

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>>It sparked a differnet looking into the market forces of selling electric vehicles to college students/driving schools etc based on some interesting points brought up. It did no such thing for me, sorry. Frankly I found it difficult to even establish what your point is in the first place. >>What does your comment have to do with exploring thoughts, ideas, and such related to the inputs which originally drove (pun)…

Forgive the convoluted answer - please let me know if you can make it more clear. Requirements.txt: >> But now some driving schools in Norway are banning new Tesla vehicles from being used due to a feature that Tesla first introduced in Model S and Model X >> "Buying a Tesla is basically buying a Mac" -- I dont have the energy at the time. Please make the following extrapolation: --- A FUCKING TECHNICAL CAR COMPANY I…

>>A FUCKING TECHNICAL CAR COMPANY IS INTEGRATING IN FN NORWAY ON BEHAVIOUR/GOVERNMENT

Before you wrote this you already acknowledged that you misunderstood the entire situation in another comment, so why even bother to write this? You already know and acknowledged that this isn't true.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by trog »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #82
taylodl wrote: post #74

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I'm in the same boat. Pretty sure I'm not buying a Tesla, but also pretty sure I'll still be buying a BEV.

Write down what you get from each and at what cost. You'd have to have extremely strong opinions to buy anything else than Tesla.

Anyone who is remotely online is basically forced to have extremely strong opinions about Tesla because Elon can't help but put himself in almost every piece of discourse, making him and Tesla objectionable to many people for many reasons.

The cost seems to be turning into less of an issue - the Model 3 was for a while the best priced EV here (Australia) but now there are several Chinese options that are more affordable for not much less on the feature side, and without any of the dumb stuff like no stalk for turn signals.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by Gud »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #82
taylodl wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the same boat. Pretty sure I'm not buying a Tesla, but also pretty sure I'll still be buying a BEV.

Write down what you get from each and at what cost. You'd have to have extremely strong opinions to buy anything else than Tesla.

Not really. Today there are many EVs to choose from.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by samstave »

gambiting wrote: post #41
samstave wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sparked a differnet looking into the market forces of selling electric vehicles to college students/driving schools etc based on some interesting points brought up. What does your comment have to do with exploring thoughts, ideas, and such related to the inputs which originally drove (pun) this story to you? If you look at any corporate fights, such as such-n-such [country|city|business] is at odds with [company|c…

>>It sparked a differnet looking into the market forces of selling electric vehicles to college students/driving schools etc based on some interesting points brought up. It did no such thing for me, sorry. Frankly I found it difficult to even establish what your point is in the first place. >>What does your comment have to do with exploring thoughts, ideas, and such related to the inputs which originally drove (pun)…

>>>how are your points related to Norway

Im norwegian? (seriously - lived in Ballard Seattle, met king and queen of Norway - we have norway flags like nazis?)

If you want me to prove just how norweigian I am, I fucked a lot of Sweedes.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by bborud »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #69
bborud wrote: post #51

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It is more like buying a cheap laptop and then getting the kind of attitude Apple has towards quality issues in their products. In terms of build quality, I wouldn't exactly say that Tesla have a "premium" product. Even after more than a decade in the mainstream market and impressive sales numbers.

Are you sure we are looking at the same Apple that released Macbook with one usb c port, a keyboard that everyone hated, and basically doesn’t care about thermal designs ? I’m a Mac user but that doesn’t mean I am oblivious about their faults.

Oh, I have no illusions about Macs. There's a reason I didn't buy a new laptop for 5 years. But if you look at the macs since the M1, they actually seem to be back to decent build quality.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by dzhiurgis »

trog wrote: post #85
dzhiurgis wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Write down what you get from each and at what cost. You'd have to have extremely strong opinions to buy anything else than Tesla.

Anyone who is remotely online is basically forced to have extremely strong opinions about Tesla because Elon can't help but put himself in almost every piece of discourse, making him and Tesla objectionable to many people for many reasons. The cost seems to be turning into less of an issue - the Model 3 was for a while the best priced EV here (Australia) but now there are several Chinese options that are more afforda…

Yes we too have Chinese cars in NZ. They are pretty well built, albeit lame tech. The cheapness comes from the fact they are much smaller. Thats the market segment BYD is winning, they are not even competing with Tesla.

Re: Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals

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Post by dzhiurgis »

Gud wrote: post #86
dzhiurgis wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Write down what you get from each and at what cost. You'd have to have extremely strong opinions to buy anything else than Tesla.

Not really. Today there are many EVs to choose from.

Absolutely if you wanna spend extra 10k for lesser trim.
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