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Things are about to get worse for generative AI

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Re: Things are about to get worse for generative AI

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Post by fsloth »

meindnoch wrote: post #57
jltsiren wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can easily see it happening. "Content" is at least as big business as "tech", and the people in it are politically better connected.

Developing AGI is a matter of national security. "Content" isn't.

US media is a huge cultural influence. It takes a ridiculous amount of mindspace globaly. However, with youtube&tiktok this seems to be changing - the most important influence is not from Hollywood but ”random” youtubers. So, ”content” is waning in influence for sure, unlike hardcore national security things like US dollar, the carrier fleet or ballistic nukes. Or AI.

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Post by ZitchDog »

Havoc wrote: post #55

To me that’s the wrong question. Everyone knew it was trained on copyrighted material and capable of eerily similar outputs. But it’s already done. At scale. Large corps committing fully. There is no chance of that toothpaste going back in the tube. It’s a bit like when big tech built on aggressive user data harvesting. Whether it’s right, ethical or even legal is academic at this stage. They just did it - effectivel…

Napster hit scale too.

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Post by rco8786 »

keiferski wrote: post #39

These don't seem all that difficult to fix to me. Most of the examples are not really generic, but are shorthand descriptions of well-known entities. "Video game plumber" is practically synonymous with "Mario" and anyone that has the slightest familiarity with the character knows this. Likewise, how difficult is it to just use descriptive tools to describe Mario-like images [1] and then remove these results from anyo…

> Likewise, how difficult is it to just use descriptive tools to describe Mario-like images [1] and then remove these results from anyone prompting for "video game plumber"?

This approaches impossibility at scale.

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

If ML cannot create copyrightable or patented material under current legal precedent, than shouldn't the prompt output be considered public domain regardless of content semblance?

The paradox should still violate Trademarks due to similarity, but likely cannot infringe on copyright content under prior legal opinion... if at least 80% different from prior art. The lawyers are likely going to have to do a special firm survey to figure this one out.

Bag of popcorn ready =)

Re: Things are about to get worse for generative AI

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Post by taberiand »

gchamonlive wrote: post #62
keiferski wrote: post #39

These don't seem all that difficult to fix to me. Most of the examples are not really generic, but are shorthand descriptions of well-known entities. "Video game plumber" is practically synonymous with "Mario" and anyone that has the slightest familiarity with the character knows this. Likewise, how difficult is it to just use descriptive tools to describe Mario-like images [1] and then remove these results from anyo…

The thing is that those are really trivial or extreme examples. What we should take from this: 1. Generative AI systems are fully capable of producing materials that infringe on copyright. 2. They do not inform users when they do so. So potentially any output could be infringing copyright source material, even from some obscure but still protected corner of the web, and anyone using that output could be exposed to la…

Why isn't the solution a strong disclaimer when the user generates images along the lines of "beware that the images produced may not comply with copyright laws in your country" etc etc?

Any artist can privately draw a picture of Mario, what's so different about having an LLM generate that image?

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Post by devnonymous »

Intox wrote: post #12

Or... things are about to get worse for copyright holders. I don't see any developped country pressing the brake on AGI in the near future to protect a few copyright holders from getting "stolen" in hypothetic scenarios.

Ah right, capitalism hasn't ever come in the way of the steady march of technology. This is the reason why we don't have monopolies controlling energy generation. Nor are we limited to a couple of choices of OSs or phones...etc and books, art, movies, music consumption and creation are perfectly aligned... Right? /s

IMO, what's most likely is some sort of licensing model between the AI companies and the 'big content providers' (remember most content on the web these days is not owned by the person who created it, wasn't always like that). The smaller companies then would be forced to live with either being scraped or ending up being 'invisible'.

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Post by pointlessone »

docdeek wrote: post #60

How is this different to Googling “robot cop” or “video game plumber” and being served copyrighted material? Is it because Google will link to the image source? Or does the infringement begin when I use the image for gain, or claim it as my own? Perhaps it is because Google was allowed to crawl the page with the original image, so presenting them with a link is fine?

Google directs you to the original work. It doesn’t present you a derivative work based on the original. That is, original author, presumably, benefits from distribution. AI, on the other hand, slurps multiple original works, chews them up and gives you something average but close enough, and not any specific work in particular.

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Post by sjfjsjdjwvwvc »

lewhoo wrote: post #22
Intox wrote: post #12

Or... things are about to get worse for copyright holders. I don't see any developped country pressing the brake on AGI in the near future to protect a few copyright holders from getting "stolen" in hypothetic scenarios.

I do. If the incentive to actually create is gone.

If making money is the only reason to create maybe it’s good if they stop.

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Post by keiferski »

rco8786 wrote: post #83
keiferski wrote: post #39

These don't seem all that difficult to fix to me. Most of the examples are not really generic, but are shorthand descriptions of well-known entities. "Video game plumber" is practically synonymous with "Mario" and anyone that has the slightest familiarity with the character knows this. Likewise, how difficult is it to just use descriptive tools to describe Mario-like images [1] and then remove these results from anyo…

> Likewise, how difficult is it to just use descriptive tools to describe Mario-like images [1] and then remove these results from anyone prompting for "video game plumber"? This approaches impossibility at scale.

Trademarks already include text descriptions and images of the item being trademarked. This is already in the USPTO database.

Re: Things are about to get worse for generative AI

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

rco8786 wrote: post #78
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

creation should happen for its own sake. You don't see GMs stopping chess because bots are that much better.

creation competition. I agree with your premise but the chess analogy falls flat. We might, legitimately, see an enormous dropoff in people creating original works of literary, musical, and visual art (without AI).

Chess, at some point, and after you move beyond the opening, is creation.

People didn't stop painting because photography exists, they created new forms of photography. People didn't stop writing music or using new / unique instruments when synths and programs came along.

I genuinely believe that people will keep creating, it's in our nature, and we also like things made by other humans, because we can relate to them.

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