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Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by b112 »

freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free.

The era of Pii as a commodity is coming to a close. The writing is on the wall for this.

Once that happens, free email will vanish. Poof. Gone. So will many other "free" online things.

This period of most people getting free email is really quite short historically. A decade.

(Many people used to get email addresses from their ISP, which were part of their paid plan)

I wonder what will happen when gmail goes paid. It's going to happen, and I expect so regionally (eg, not the EU zone or some such) within 5 years.

A lot of people depend upon said free email, and as much as I dislike Google, they have absolutely zero obligation to give anything away.

They've spent the last few years moving classes of accounts to paid. They've been closing down accounts which seem dormant.

Soon... a year maybe?, I think we'll see some sort of precursor change. A reduction of storage for free accounts, or number of emails you can send, or something.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by b112 »

Avamander wrote: post #61
justsomehnguy wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal anecdote != universal, global experience. > have one at a smaller mail provider a) [hosted] Mail provider b) Server (colo/dedicated/VPS/whatever) provider Choose one. > not uncommon for companies to either have a local Exchange Server Yes and it's PITA to pull it out of the lists of some shitheads, like SpamHaus. Source: guess it

SpamHaus always has really good reasons for doing what they're doing. How'd you piss them off? There are actually horrid lists like BackScatterer and UCEProtect that you can't even properly contact. So in comparison SH is super pleasant.

UCEProtect isn't legitimate. It's effectively a bribery ring. When presented with this data, anyone using it at the corporate level has dropped them.

(Bell Canada used them for a while, until I and others demonstrated this fact)

So don't worry about them.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by judge2020 »

freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

You'd still need to be able to block these addresses or at least have a reputation system for them, otherwise telemarketers would just tank their own reputation for some sales, or people would pay the homeless to sign up and let them send spam via their digital inbox.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by j-bos »

freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

I mean, iirc in the USA the postal service is a consitutionally mandated service. So this could be (legally) done "overnight" simply by defining electronic mail sevice as a form of postal service. Plus that would be an email service subject to the privacy protections of the USPS.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by progval »

shaicoleman wrote: post #78
Avamander wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Eventually, most people realize that their Outlook/Hotmail email service is defective because they're not receiving emails, and the move to something else. Or people realise that DO's current anti-abuse is very insufficient and will move to something else.

Outlook/Hotmail is the only service that's blocking my emails. I've been with DigitalOcean for 10 years. Beforehand it was just a matter of filling a form and waiting 24 hours to get the IP whitelisted. A few years ago, Microsoft started refusing whitelisting IPs. DigitalOcean on the other hand started blocking SMTP by default for new customers since June/2022 [1], and thus significantly reduced the amount of spam co…

Ah, that explains why I stopped receiving so much spam from DigitalOcean last year. Thanks

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by hadrien01 »

blcknight wrote: post #42
freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

This would probably work in a lot of European countries or places with high levels of government trust. I could see the German post office for example offering something like this and getting wide acceptance. You’ll have a lot of distrustful Americans commenting how terrible this idea is and the government can’t be trusted. They’d rather get it from a corporation and be subjected to unlimited surveillance capitalism…

The French post office does offer an email service: https://www.laposte.net/accueil

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by Aardwolf »

judge2020 wrote: post #84
freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

You'd still need to be able to block these addresses or at least have a reputation system for them, otherwise telemarketers would just tank their own reputation for some sales, or people would pay the homeless to sign up and let them send spam via their digital inbox.

Make it cost a few cents to send a mail with it, just like stamps of physical mail.

It's mostly intended for receiving anyway.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by judge2020 »

blcknight wrote: post #42
freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

This would probably work in a lot of European countries or places with high levels of government trust. I could see the German post office for example offering something like this and getting wide acceptance. You’ll have a lot of distrustful Americans commenting how terrible this idea is and the government can’t be trusted. They’d rather get it from a corporation and be subjected to unlimited surveillance capitalism…

How does anyone have trust in their government besides to provide basic services? Every single government is hellbent on mass surveillance, and the EU is currently leading the way, not the US: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/11/article-45-will-roll-b...

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by huhtenberg »

We go through this every few months. Here's the recipe -

1. Visit https://olcsupport.office.com/ and submit the complaint.

2. Wait for the auto-reply, followed by the "Nothing was detected" email.

3. Reply to the latter with "Escalate" in the body.

Within a day, they hammer shit in place and the block is removed.

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