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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by prmoustache »

konschubert wrote: post #59
sschueller wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Infotainment is not a cars purpose but an addition. If you need to play video games and watch Netflix then you should not be driving.

I would like a map that is up to date and has a good UX. Spotify and podcasts. Voice controls that allow me to hear and speak text messages. Basic stuff, impossible for Volkswagen. EDIT: I agree with the replies that say this should be handled by CarPlay/Android Auto. In which case I’d like my cars software to support that well. EDIT2: Oh and there has to be an api where the car shares charge state and range estimate…

This is better provided by your smartphone which already gives you access to your digital life and controlled with android auto.

I wouldn't want to have to setups accounts in my car. Also you don't necessarily want the persons who borrow your car to know everythings about you including every single place you have marked as favorite.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by grecy »

hef19898 wrote: post #60
nlstitch wrote: post #47

To what Ive seen online is that Teslas have problems, but they are different to ICE cars. One of the problems that I think will play a mayor role is bearings. In ICE engines these are lubricated by engine oil which is replaced on service intervals, but with E-Cars regular bearings are used within electrical motors. Gonna make a weird comparison here, but I see the same in Robot vacuums; the grease in the (plastic) ge…

Motor oil isn't used in lubricating axle bearings or the gearbox. Those latter two are, in modern cars anyway, lubricated for "life". If Teslas, again no idea if that's the case, failed to design those components to not require regular maintenance, and then fails to define proper service intervalls, it is purely on Tesla and not the fact that we talk about EVs. Because EVs from brands with a dense service network (wh…

> Those latter two are, in modern cars anyway, lubricated for "life".

I don't believe there is a modern gearbox where the manufacturer of said gearbox says it never needs oil changes. The vehicle manufacturer might say that, but not the gearbox manufacturer.

Case in point - my 2021 Wrangler has a ZF 8 speed auto that Jeep says never needs an oil change. ZF says it needs an oil and filter change every 100,00km.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by hef19898 »

europeanNyan wrote: post #77
hef19898 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Picking VW as an example for Infotainment is the equivalent of picking Tesla for reliability: a way to show how not to do it.

I can vouch that Dacia or Renault is not any better and serve as a pure gateway to Apple Carplay.

I am quite happy with Peugeot and Jaguar. Never tried Car Play or Android Auto and never will so, Bluetooth streaming is all I need. I heard all kind of horror stories from the latest VW software so. Which is funny, because Skoda seems to be a lot better despite being the same group.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by Dalewyn »

Dinux wrote: post #32

Sofar I've owned 4 Tesla cars and never had any serious issues that were not addressed immediately. My current Model Y had a cracked roof, they replaced the glass within a couple or hours. Here in The Netherlands inspections are mandatory for all cars every 1/2 years. I've noticed the tires may not be as durable as they should be but no idea how they stack up against another EV. Anything you use and use a lot needs m…

>Its a utopica to think EVs somehow need less upkeep.

EVs objectively need less upkeep compared to engine cars because a substantial portion of maintaining a car is related to the engine and transmission.

An EV still requires maintenance like repressurizing tires; replacement of worn out tires, brakes, and wiper blades; refilling of fluids like the windshield cleaner; and so on in addition to anything EV specific, but that's all still far less compared to engine cars.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by lifestyleguru »

ketkev wrote: post #12
t0mas88 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla's roll out of the factory with things out of limits all the time. Headlights being a big thing, not adjusted within the rules for the TUV (or Dutch APK) even when the car is brand new.

I swear that most model 3's I see in Europe have their headlights adjusted up so high that they're still looking for German aircraft. It's blinding.

The LED revolution of car headlights is a damnation.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by ju-st »

makeitdouble wrote: post #48
madog wrote: post #38

Where's the list that show all car brands? Doesn't seem to be easily found on that page or any of the linked ones.

https://www.tuvsud.com/de-de/publikationen/tuev-report/maeng...

TÜV competitor DEKRA stopped publishing their "fault report" because most cars are nowadays fixed before being checked by Tüv/Dekra. ( https://www.dekra.de/de/dekra-gebrauchtwagenreport/)

That's why the buyer demographic of a car is the most significant factor in the ranking. Cars used by companies, seniors, wealthy individuals or cabriolets have a good ranking. Meanwhile cars bought majorily by frugal or smart customers (Dacia, Tesla) tend to have bad rankings. This is because it's much more cost efficient to let Tüv/Dekra check you car before doing any repairs. Also what is ignored in the ranking is that some faults are much more important than others. Afaik a bad parking light can have the same influence on the ranking as a broken down transmission.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by m463 »

lox wrote: post #44
m463 wrote: post #11

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All this should be recommended in the UI. The car DOES have maintenance needs. Lots of people in models X & S are surprised to find their seemingly ok tires are NOT OK because they wear very quickly on the non-visible inside edge. there are brakes on the car, which have pads and fluid. There is coolant for the battery. Honestly, there should be a maintenance screen in the UI. You should be able to replace tires, or w…

There is a service screen in the UI with alerts and details on when tires were last changed. There is an alert for windshield fluid.

my UI doesn't have that. I've changed my tires myself and there was nowhere to enter the data. Do you mean the app or in car?

If a non-tesla person changes my tires, they haven't done anything.

I don't take my car to tesla for tires anymore. They charge you for everything, and offer no warranty. (also, my tires cannot be rotated)

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by hef19898 »

grecy wrote: post #82
hef19898 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Motor oil isn't used in lubricating axle bearings or the gearbox. Those latter two are, in modern cars anyway, lubricated for "life". If Teslas, again no idea if that's the case, failed to design those components to not require regular maintenance, and then fails to define proper service intervalls, it is purely on Tesla and not the fact that we talk about EVs. Because EVs from brands with a dense service network (wh…

> Those latter two are, in modern cars anyway, lubricated for "life". I don't believe there is a modern gearbox where the manufacturer of said gearbox says it never needs oil changes. The vehicle manufacturer might say that, but not the gearbox manufacturer. Case in point - my 2021 Wrangler has a ZF 8 speed auto that Jeep says never needs an oil change. ZF says it needs an oil and filter change every 100,00km.

"Life" is open for discussion and definition. Going with ZF, the 8 speed is a great gearbox, saves the gearbox. Going with Jeep gets you a warranty replacement.

By the way, it is still possible Jeep modified the gearbox in some way, most OEMs do.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by europeanNyan »

croes wrote: post #55
silisili wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My last two new ICE cars had horrible infotainment that crashed constantly, loose fits, and an interior that rattles until it drives one to violence. I'd say they are competing on even grounds here.

To be fair, infotainment is a relatively recent feature of cars.

What is there to be fair about? We've had various iterations of GPS navigation for decades now. Yet, most maps on most infotainments are unusable slow pieces of rubbish. UX of various GUIs has been a point of research for a very long time. Yet, they are discovering it as if it was a completely new concept, the concept of touching something and it actually doing something in a short amount of time. It's like they are purposely ignoring the plethora of mobile devices and GPS units of the last decades.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by TheAlchemist »

Dinux wrote: post #32

Sofar I've owned 4 Tesla cars and never had any serious issues that were not addressed immediately. My current Model Y had a cracked roof, they replaced the glass within a couple or hours. Here in The Netherlands inspections are mandatory for all cars every 1/2 years. I've noticed the tires may not be as durable as they should be but no idea how they stack up against another EV. Anything you use and use a lot needs m…

But ... why ? Why did you have 4 Teslas in ~10 years ?

I'm really curious, why are you buying an electric car in the first place ?

Cause it's sure as hell not for the sake of saving the planet.

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