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Re: Zotero for Android available for beta tests

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https://github.com/zotero It is open source...

There's a lot of Zotero code on GitHub, but I can't find Android version there

You are right. There is a zotero-ios repo though. I'm assuming after beta they will make the android build public as well?

Re: Zotero for Android available for beta tests

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Add to that, there’s a huge variance in device hardware, form factors, OS versions and API support for Android. As well as poorer UI APIs and harder to integrate C code (important to sharing cross platform libs). The ROI on delivering a *good* experience for Android users is really low.

This is an old trope that's not nearly as relevant as you seem to imply. It is also the same problem Apple would have with laptop and desktops, but is really not an issue. I, personally, believe that the platform has very little to do with that disparity of revenue at this point - but it is directly related to the demographic purchasing the phone. Android phones are often much easier to acquire with fewer financial r…

In what way is it an irrelevant trope?

Just look at how apps are handled by the variety of folding Android phones today or devices with unusual aspect ratios. You get clipping and stretching in a lot of cases, even as recently as the latest Pixel Fold

iOS has much better UI libraries than Android. They also have a better constraint and relative positioning system that allows for UI to adapt to changes in screen ratios.

And none of that even addresses the disparity of Android versions in use. Yes, Google Play and Jetpack help paper over some of that, but good luck if you need to use a non-Google Play device or need to deal with some of the APIs that just don’t get shimmed. Or if you’re using graphics APIs and need to deal with the vendor and OS specific deviances in Vulkan implementation.

I very much disagree with your dismissal of it as a dated trope. As a game and app dev, targeting Android is incredibly annoying even today and results in targeting the most popular models in a demographic and hoping things scale outwards.

Re: Zotero for Android available for beta tests

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It all comes back to revenue: Android has twice the market share but users are about as third as likely to pay for apps / in-app purchases so the market is a lot more even than it might seem. I don’t think that’s because android users are significantly more inclined towards piracy but rather that there are really two groups, and the ones who bought the cheapest phone they could find contribute market share only for f…

I wonder if that’s a self fulfilling prophecy. They expect android users to pay less therefore there tends to be a worse experience ( ads or no app at all) therefore android users are conditioned that apps are worthless.

It might have something to do with side loading making piracy easier but I really think it’s as simple as there being distinct groups within the Android community. I would be surprised if the figures for app spending weren’t pretty similar if you compare people who spent roughly the same amount on their phones.

Re: Zotero for Android available for beta tests

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Oh nice Christmas present. I am using devonthink at the moment but would love to have a look at something else how does zotero hold up with big libraries?

You can use them both together! Just have Zotero save your PDFs to a directory that DEVONthink will index. That way, you can use the right tool for the job. For inserting citation into documents, the work processor plug-ins that Zotero offers are really fantastic. Similarly, for academic papers, the web clipper that Zotero has is much better suited to those particular types of documents than the more general purpose…

Oh that's actually perfect for my usecase thanks for the mind rub.

Re: Zotero for Android available for beta tests

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This is an old trope that's not nearly as relevant as you seem to imply. It is also the same problem Apple would have with laptop and desktops, but is really not an issue. I, personally, believe that the platform has very little to do with that disparity of revenue at this point - but it is directly related to the demographic purchasing the phone. Android phones are often much easier to acquire with fewer financial r…

In what way is it an irrelevant trope? Just look at how apps are handled by the variety of folding Android phones today or devices with unusual aspect ratios. You get clipping and stretching in a lot of cases, even as recently as the latest Pixel Fold iOS has much better UI libraries than Android. They also have a better constraint and relative positioning system that allows for UI to adapt to changes in screen ratio…

I didn't say "irrelevant" - and I do agree with parts of your statement. As I said, it's not nearly as relevant to the context of the argument. The argument being that it's hard to deliver ROI (look at the grandparent comment) on Android because of technical limitations.

And, as I said, I "personally" believe this to be true. Android was much harder to develop for previously. It's a lot better. And I do see some of the same problems in the IOS ecosystem when I try to run apps clearly written for iPhone form factors on iPad.

But, my argument was stating that ROI was not really tied to the technical limitations (again I personally believe this to be true, being a mostly Android user) as stated and more on the demographic of user.

TL;DR I, personally, don't believe that technical limitations create ROI disparity between IOS and Android store revenue.

Re: Zotero for Android available for beta tests

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An iPad is the ideal form factor for this kind of things. Reading and annotating PDFs on that thing is a joy.

I’m considering getting an iPad mini to read & annotate within Zotero. Anyone have experience of using an iPad mini for this. Is the form factor do-able or really too small? I like that I could read lying down with one hand, which I can’t achieve with a full-sized iPad.

> Anyone have experience of using an iPad mini for this. Is the form factor do-able or really too small?

I contemplated doing that, but went with an iPad Pro instead (11’’, second hand). Even 11’’ felt a bit small and I got a 13’’ eventually. Besides screen size, the Apple Pencil 2 is miles better.

> I like that I could read lying down with one hand, which I can’t achieve with a full-sized iPad.

Yes, for reading a Mini would be much better. More Kindle-like. The 11’’ Pro is still manageable with one hand (but without a case), but it’s not comfortable.

Re: Zotero for Android available for beta tests

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Just took it for a spin. Interface looks decent. I love that I'm able to invert colors aka PDF dark mode cheat. But I don't seem to be able to add annotations to a PDF and sync that back to my desktop, which is a bummer. I'm sure that will work in the future, and then I will finally be able to read and annotate papers on a tablet. Okular set a high bar for what a good PDF Reader can do, this is surprisingly decent. T…

Librera can automatically crop whitespace. And Adobe Reader has Fit Visible (Ctrl+3), which most of the time is good enough.

I just noticed that the new Zotero has a double click to zoom feature, which does pretty much the same thing. It's great!
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