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If a country has a plan to become smaller, I guess I can see why they’d need to stretch out their current workforce for a long as possible. The US, which is where I live, I think plans on growing until we find a hard barrier that we can’t power through.
The US currently only maintains positive population growth due to immigration, and one of the two major political parties opposes immigration.
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But how does that make it completely wrong and a lie?
Well, since I didn't say that, maybe you can enlighten us since you brought it up?
Someone then replied with data showing that life expectancy is getting longer even setting aside infant mortality, to which you replied that the difference was that reduced mortality at age 60 adds mostly unproductive years, while reduced mortality at age 0-1 adds mostly productive years.
My question was how that has any bearing on the question in this thread of whether or not people are living longer? It wasn't clear to me at least without more info. Or maybe it was just an unrelated tangent. But that lack of clarity is why I asked.
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Is there a list of such countries, primarily English-speaking? (serious question, as someone who left from one after it turned into an overpriced third-world dump and is now looking for a place to settle down)
Which country did you leave? I'm curious.
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Just because nobody else seems to want them doesn't mean they should have to kill themselves.
OP says “voluntarily”. Nobody has to kill themselves, but it seems like a lot of older people aren’t particularly happy in the last few years of their lives, kept alive by increasing drugs and machines, sometimes the mind long gone. Seems awful to extend life beyond the point of enjoyment, and an option to end things seems more humane than forcing people to continue.
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I think this because declaring our loved ones extinguishable crosses the fattest line there is. And doing that based on a stat damns our judgment. Somewhere about here it becomes apparent that the value of our judgment is tied to the value we place on others.
> I think this because declaring our loved ones extinguishable crosses the fattest line there is. Maybe its just a social taboo and not a real line. most old ppl caring for elderly fulltime want their parents to be dead though. I've seen this personally in family members who totally transformed into different human beings in a good way once they were freed of the burden of caretaking. I could sense their hearts jumpi…
Most people shouldn’t worry about how to work till retirement. Life expectancy trends have reversed and I suspect will worsen with more climate and zoonotic disease crossover, antibiotic resistance; though maybe mRNA cancer vax will balance that out. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/12/22/1144864... But the author is Canadian, working for the CBC, which I don’t think suffers from the ageism in most of c…
> But the author is Canadian, working for the CBC, which I don’t think suffers from the ageism in most of corporate America About half the article is about ageism in Canada as an enormous barrier to working past 64. If anything what the author describes sounds worse than anything I've heard in the US (but maybe that's because I'm too young to see it yet).
Retirement seems like a pretty crucial process in the economy. If we set things up so that people can’t retire, that will slow down the process of getting the next generation into their positions. I do know some folks who have, instead, semi-retired (go in one or two days a week). People at the end of their careers have lots of experience to pass on. And it seems to keep them active and healthy. I wonder why we haven…
> I wonder why we haven’t seen a growth in 1-2 day a week mentorship roles. If I had to hazard a guess I would say that most people in this position feel like they should get paid 50% of their previous salary for doing 20% of the work (and limiting their scope largely to mentorship rather than IC work), and with the combined scope reduction of both time and work performed, their employers would rather pay them even l…
I work at a small trade school as the training coordinator and this is something I come up against every day. Our employers locally desperately need people but have no one to spare for training. It’s a really vicious cycle. As an example we are running a pre-employment program in January for youth. It’s a great program, 8 weeks long, the students are paid by the govt, they get employment readiness skills, tool skills, job shadow at four different businesses for a day each, and then have a two week work experience at one of the locations. The employers get paid too! Out of 18 original employers, 10 have backed out citing too busy. Yet they are all scrambling to hire people.
I’ve been in this industry for almost 30 years. I’m off the tools now because I want to support my fellow workers and have them learn the safe way to work, also my knees haha. But seriously though, we’re all struggling with way too much work and not enough people, and the experts are retiring.
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It's funny that the companies I've seen do this productively all have "other justifications" for doing so. But effectively, yes, they're keeping high-performing older talent around so some hard won lessons rub off on the youngsters. I always thought companies should spend more time broadly categorizing employee allocation. E.g. this year you're going to be 20% mentor, 20% strategic advice, 60% IC Everyone wears multi…
Maybe we need something like a university tenure program for private businesses, haha.
Retirement seems like a pretty crucial process in the economy. If we set things up so that people can’t retire, that will slow down the process of getting the next generation into their positions. I do know some folks who have, instead, semi-retired (go in one or two days a week). People at the end of their careers have lots of experience to pass on. And it seems to keep them active and healthy. I wonder why we haven…
> I wonder why we haven’t seen a growth in 1-2 day a week mentorship roles. If I had to hazard a guess I would say that most people in this position feel like they should get paid 50% of their previous salary for doing 20% of the work (and limiting their scope largely to mentorship rather than IC work), and with the combined scope reduction of both time and work performed, their employers would rather pay them even l…
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I think this because declaring our loved ones extinguishable crosses the fattest line there is. And doing that based on a stat damns our judgment. Somewhere about here it becomes apparent that the value of our judgment is tied to the value we place on others.
> I think this because declaring our loved ones extinguishable crosses the fattest line there is. Maybe its just a social taboo and not a real line. most old ppl caring for elderly fulltime want their parents to be dead though. I've seen this personally in family members who totally transformed into different human beings in a good way once they were freed of the burden of caretaking. I could sense their hearts jumpi…
> Maybe its just a social taboo and not a real line.
I disagree. In any agecide scenario, adults won't consent and would be murdered. Murder is a bright line. Advocating the murder of people we love is an even broader, brighter line. Crossing that devastates human bonds.