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Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

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Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

#81

Hate that everything needs React these days. I’ll stick to using Tabler and HTMX.

hey look everyone, someone that doesn’t need a job or to collaborate with anyone

That might be a realistic assessment but let’s not pretend the preponderance of react in the industry is a desirable state of affairs.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

#82

This is an unbelievably unfinished UI library. Especially with a price tag. A limited set of components with very little attention to detail. For example, the buttons lack the active state completely. Why would I pay €250 for something I can find easily for free?

I would not expect something labeled as “v0.1.0” as supposed to be finished. Weird unproductive comment tbh.

To be honest, his comment is more productive than yours. The point is, they expect you to pay for it, no matter how you label it, and the price is hefty for what you get.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

#83

Why does Tailwind not build framework agnostic UI components? The best thing about Tailwind is everyone can use it. Wish we could go back to the days of building for the web and not building for React.

> Why does Tailwind not build framework agnostic UI components?

For the same reasons that PrimeFaces has PrimeNg (Angular), PrimeReact, and PrimeVue.

Given the way all the different stuff works together, that's the way it has to be done.

I'm still amazed they're asking for $299 for this!

Prime is MIT licensed. "Here, clone our repo on GitHub and do whatever you want!". Professional support is paid.

It looks good, it works, and no, I don't work for them. But $299 for this Tailwind thing seems rather crazy in comparison.

There is also PrimeFlex, which lets you do stuff like:

shadow-3

Which of course looks a lot like working with Tailwind.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

#84
Unfortunately, I'm going to have to dunk on the irony of developing a CSS-first toolkit then only releasing headless React components. At least if you used Svelte or WebComponents directly you could compile them down to bind to other frameworks.

I'm not a React hater, but it's time for React-only support for UI toolkits to end. There are other compelling frameworks that are also worth using that are better choices in many cases.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

#86

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how does that work if you wont be hired without prior experience in a particular stack to begin with for current employment I’ve only ever seen teams push for using the next shiny thing solely to get that experience and professional validation in the current role, to be competitive for consideration in the next roles

It's unfortunately accurate that a lot of roles and people in those roles are indeed purely bullet-point driven for their resumes. If you're entering a role at a mid-level or junior, you're likely stuck with their tech stack choices. At senior or higher, it's usually about delivering results and the tech stack is up to you. I've never paid much attention to specific job requirements, just whether or not I could solve…

I have no idea how to sell that

I can also build anybody’s application in any stack, but that doesnt get me in the door, doesnt get the recruiter to say anything, doesnt get any hiring manager intro call

What kind of clientele are you going to where you’re just like “I am computer man, from internet, I can build that for you” and they’re like “woooooowwwww you’re hired!”

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

#87
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I’m using parts of Shadcn on a real product making real money. It’s really just a combination of cva, radix, and tailwind that you can copy into your app and customize/extend. Shadcn, radix, and tailwind are all FOSS so they are not “high-priced”. Your analysis is shallow and unfounded.

Shadcn seems more polished and complete than Catalyst, and it's free. Absolutely no reason to pay for Catalyst. btw: is the active state missing from Tailwind since Shadcd buttons are also missing them?

> btw: is the active state missing from Tailwind since Shadcd buttons are also missing them?

Nope. Tailwind has good support for styling the active state, in the way that you'd expect if you've used Tailwind: e.g., `bg-red-500 hover:bg-red-600 active:bg-red-700`.

https://tailwindcss.com/docs/hover-focus-and-other-states

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how does that work if you wont be hired without prior experience in a particular stack to begin with for current employment I’ve only ever seen teams push for using the next shiny thing solely to get that experience and professional validation in the current role, to be competitive for consideration in the next roles

It's unfortunately accurate that a lot of roles and people in those roles are indeed purely bullet-point driven for their resumes. If you're entering a role at a mid-level or junior, you're likely stuck with their tech stack choices. At senior or higher, it's usually about delivering results and the tech stack is up to you. I've never paid much attention to specific job requirements, just whether or not I could solve…

The business risks surrounding unpopular choices are generally strong enough to overwhelm the technical arguments. So why should a lead choose htmx? IMO only if the project was trivial enough to bring on such whimsical risk.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

#89
post #82

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I would not expect something labeled as “v0.1.0” as supposed to be finished. Weird unproductive comment tbh.

To be honest, his comment is more productive than yours. The point is, they expect you to pay for it, no matter how you label it, and the price is hefty for what you get.

The price includes the rest of TailwindUI, not just the Catalyst Preview. Whether or not it's the correct value for money is of course up to you, but I've used it extensively.

Re: Catalyst – Tailwind CSS Application UI Kit

#90

This is an unbelievably unfinished UI library. Especially with a price tag. A limited set of components with very little attention to detail. For example, the buttons lack the active state completely. Why would I pay €250 for something I can find easily for free?

You are welcome to do it for free. The entire point of an UI library is to save time.. you can technically build anything you want for free if you don't value your time.

This UI library sped up my dev time at least two-fold. The components and sample landing pages provided are really great IMO (and judging by their sales, it's not just me who agrees).

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