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Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by Faark »

johncalvinyoung wrote: post #16

Explains why Spotify and Kindle Unlimited is an automatic yes from me, and new fiction hard copies much less so, based on my usage. - Spotify: 65k minutes a year, 90h/mo, so around 0.13/h I’m a fast reader, so a novel averages 2-5 hours for me, probably 4h would be a fair guess. Last few years have averaged 150 titles a year on KU, so… 50hr/mo and 0.25/h in costs. And that print novel is usually 15-25 these days new……

I also consume a lot more Spotify than anything else, but get a lot more value/hour from eg YouTube.

Btw Spotify, if you want me to "agree" to your price hike, asking over and over again with the same threat of probably downgrade me to the free version is just stupid. I might simply resubscribe then. Or just try some different service that shows me some respect, instead of attempting to get a miss-click out of me.

Probably a good idea anyway, both to get out of my current bubble but also see what value/$ competitors offer.

Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by waltbosz »

I'm interested to see a $/H breakdown of the cost of (self hosted htpc) piracy. You gotta buy hard drives and a media player, and spend time with set up and maintaince.

You own time would be highly variable in cost. A parent of 4 vs a highschool kid have very different time values.

Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by vasco »

It takes a strong minded person to keep it to the numbers instead of jamming a 2k word blog post injecting their random commentary and bait title onto something that stands on its own. Major kudos.

Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by caslon »

notatoad wrote: post #54
danpalmer wrote: post #19

While the numbers might be a bit hit and miss, the comparison with individual creators is fascinating and definitely hits upon something that keeps me from subscribing to patreons/etc. I don't have just one creator who I would consistently want to support the most, there are probably 10-20 who I would like to support, however I'm not going to pay 10x of them $5/h for content when YouTube is 1x $0.50/h (and has their…

> I would like to support This is the attitude that makes people fork over $70/hr to CGPGrey. I like these people's content, and want to support them too. But they don't need my financial support. They're all making way more money than me and probably you. If they wanted some sort of micropayment they could ask for it, but they're all pushing for the $10/month rate instead. Your $1/mo is so inconsequential to them th…

Micropayments on the internet don't work. Payment processors charge 30¢ per transaction, plus a percentage.

We are not in a system that allows for micropayments to work.

You list a very famous content creator. On the other hand, there are lots of content creators who actually are struggling, and not making half as much as a minimum wage worker despite working longer hours than full-time.

If you look at the Twitch leaks, the payment curve has a long tail; the vast majority of creators do not make very much at all, while the top creators tend to make out with multigenerational wealth in a year.

This is especially true with CS-sphere content creators, because computer scientists seem especially reluctant to spend money, ever, if it isn't required of them, as they are very good at justifying not doing so with "They'll be fine!" In many cases, a sentiment that's right. In other cases, not so much. There are lots of Twitch streamers, open source software developers, and YouTubers that can't seem to find ways to monetize their content that work well. Oftentimes, these are some of the people that have the most interesting content!

If a person likes someone's content, they should find a way to financially support that, if they're able.

Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by gruez »

caslon wrote: post #84
notatoad wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would like to support This is the attitude that makes people fork over $70/hr to CGPGrey. I like these people's content, and want to support them too. But they don't need my financial support. They're all making way more money than me and probably you. If they wanted some sort of micropayment they could ask for it, but they're all pushing for the $10/month rate instead. Your $1/mo is so inconsequential to them th…

Micropayments on the internet don't work. Payment processors charge 30¢ per transaction, plus a percentage. We are not in a system that allows for micropayments to work. You list a very famous content creator. On the other hand, there are lots of content creators who actually are struggling, and not making half as much as a minimum wage worker despite working longer hours than full-time. If you look at the Twitch lea…

> Micropayments on the internet don't work. Payment processors charge 30¢ per transaction, plus a percentage.

Paypal micropayments has it down to 5% + 9 cents.

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/merchant-fees#micropay...

Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by c2h5oh »

AaronFriel wrote: post #75
c2h5oh wrote: post #67

Video games take an average of 18h to beat now: https://howlongtobeat.com/stats and on average players will play less than half of that https://deathisawhale.com/2021/01/20/how-many-players-actual... Excluding multiplayer games with huge replayability AAA titles cost closer to $8-10/h of entertainment. A LOT of AAA titles can be completed in about 10 hours and still cost $60

Important to remember that the distributions here are multi-modal, so averages don't represent the data well. For AAA games I think you're way off. Looking at the 5 top played games in 2023, "main story" to "completionist": Title Main Story (hrs) Completionist (hrs) Baldur's Gate 3 57 146 Super Mario Wonder 10 19 Starfield 22 145 Zelda: ToTK 59 235 Hogwarts Legacy 27 68 Of these, the first two are co-op but not the s…

Depends on the type of the games you are looking obviously:

- 2023 shooters average just over 12h to complete

- 2023 RPGs 37.5h

- Battle Arena (all time) 433h

All in all average for 2023 releases is just under 20h _to complete_, which doesn't necessarily mean people actually played that much - the other article I've linked suggests that on average people got to less than half of the main story..

Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by bluedays »

thinkerswell wrote: post #78

This is why platforms like https://www.loor.tv/ are essential, which let you fund the tv shows you want to see, not just _all tv_ Netflix is producing.

Is it though? Because if they were doing something that good wouldn't I have heard of this service by now? I have a pretty good (I would wager better than most) understanding of which streaming services are available but I've never even heard of this one.

Re: Paying Netflix $0.53/H, etc.

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Post by gruez »

waltbosz wrote: post #82

I'm interested to see a $/H breakdown of the cost of (self hosted htpc) piracy. You gotta buy hard drives and a media player, and spend time with set up and maintaince. You own time would be highly variable in cost. A parent of 4 vs a highschool kid have very different time values.

> I'm interested to see a $/H breakdown of the cost of (self hosted htpc) piracy. You gotta buy hard drives and a media player, and spend time with set up and maintaince.

Why would you need hard drives? If your internet is reasonably fast you can just delete the file and download it again next time you need to watch it. Same goes with htpc. A laptop with a hdmi cord works fine as well and is way cheaper.

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