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Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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Re: Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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Post by timeon »

pseudo0 wrote: post #58

Just pull out of the EU. It's overtly hostile to freedom of speech. Run Twitter from the US, and let the EU erect their own "Great Firewall" if they want to block it. F500s (or at least the ones still advertising) can pay for ads through their US subsidiaries, and the handful of remaining Twitter employees in Europe can either take a relocation package or severance.

"freedom of speech" is just Virtue signalling.

Not sure why would Twitter leave EU - Musk's Twitter has no problem suppressing freedom of speech, like in that case of Turkey.

Re: Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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Post by spookie »

Hamuko wrote: post #40
slim wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having tried the "Added context" contributions, I think Twitter solved the moderation. It simply works. There's an abundance of free labor and it scales linearly with controversy/spread.

> It simply works. Does it? Because I've seen it used to spread all sorts of bullshit, including against Musk/X. One case that comes to my mind when Musk wanted to make blocking to work the same as muting, and the false claim of it being against Apple's App Store rules was added as context.

In what way does blocking not work the same as muting?

Re: Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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Post by logicchains »

exceptione wrote: post #70
rsynnott wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the timing is _probably_ coincidental, more down to a bunch of different things happening in European law currently than anything else. The Threads delay seems to be down to Digital Markets Act compliance tweaks (the DMA entered into force earlier this year); this is under the Digital Services Act, which enters into force in two weeks. > These are the first formal proceedings launched by the Commission to enf…

And about time. The EU (and the US even more so) has been pretty ignorant about the way hostile anti-democratic regimes wage war against free and democratic societies. For dictatorships a misinformation campaign is both way more effective and cheaper than a single Mig fighter jet. This asymmetric war was already a big problem, but the oligarch Musk might have been too loud a siren for the sleepy lawmakers that believ…

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Re: Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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Post by exceptione »

jongjong wrote: post #28
RandomLensman wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What authoritarian agenda? What commission?

For example, they were happy about social media platforms censoring or otherwise suppressing content which opposed the COVID19 vaccine mandates; they didn't raise any alarms there while there was actual substantial manipulation of the algorithms involved... But now that X has mostly removed filtering and manipulations from the algorithms, they begin proceedings against it! Just because they don't like the kind of con…

Please realize that the anti-vaccine nonsense is content driven by hostile regimes, ie China and Russia.

I will give you some links:

- https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-china-covid-disinformation-ca...

- https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/foreign-disinformation-...

- https://www.politico.eu/article/antivax-conspiracy-lean-pro-...

Re: Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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Post by rsynnott »

wongarsu wrote: post #36
rsynnott wrote: post #17

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Bloody hell, that was an _example of a Tweet that they were okay with, in training material_?!

It isn't inciting violence, and despite what people say about Germans we haven't actually outlawed humor. The joke might be tasteless or insensitive, but I doubt it's illegal. Of course many platforms wouldn't want such content on their platform, but there is also a vocal portion of people who have long called for platforms to behave more like town halls or public plazas, letting public discourse run uncensored as lo…

Oh, I’m not saying it’s illegal anywhere (maybe France? France is particularly aggressive on this sort of thing), but I would imagine that some Twitter salespeople will be having _interesting_ conversations with remaining large advertisers about this; it doesn’t really gel with previous positioning (at least to advertisers).

Re: Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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Post by logicchains »

demondemidi wrote: post #68

Disappointing that the vast majority of top levels here are describing the EU as some sort of totalitarian police state. It does respect rights. Do the people in the USA think that every country should let its citizens act like uneducated armed griefers?

>EU as some sort of totalitarian police state

Because it (or parts of it) were recently trying to ban private online communication, which is exactly what a totalitarian police state does.

Re: Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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Post by logicchains »

Exendroinient23 wrote: post #83

EU just wants to regulate everything. Recent ai regulations are very bad. Purposefully nerfing yourself at the technology front isn't a solution.

>Purposefully nerfing yourself at the technology front isn't a solution

It is a solution if the problem is "preventing anything that could challenge the entrenched elites".

Re: Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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Post by decremental »

pjc50 wrote: post #52
slim wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having tried the "Added context" contributions, I think Twitter solved the moderation. It simply works. There's an abundance of free labor and it scales linearly with controversy/spread.

But that doesn't remove the content. It just sticks a label underneath it. And it's only on the most popular tweets.

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Re: Commission opens formal proceedings against X under the Digital Services Act

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Post by SiempreViernes »

pjc50 wrote: post #20

Interesting that Community Notes is mentioned, because it's by far the most reliable anti-"disinformation" mechanism I've seen. The "bluecheck" system has been absolutely wrecked, though. Even with the haphazard patching of grey and gold ticks, a bluecheck more often than not is the sign of self-promoted nonsense.

I know of one example where community notes was used to spread outright lies about the victim of police brutality a full day after the claims were disproven, so it still needs some work.
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