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Rising Temperatures in the Netherlands

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Re: Rising Temperatures in the Netherlands

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Post by doodlebugging »

RetroTechie wrote: post #70
vnglst wrote: post #65

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Thanks and that’s really interesting. I wanted to do rainfall next. It’s been really wet here this winter. And the summers have been a lot drier. Can’t wait to see the heatmap for that.

Bedankt voor deze bijdrage! > I wanted to do rainfall next. Wind, please! Most reports like this focus on temperature, some on rainfall. But more energy in atmosphere -> wind speeds increasing seems logical. And matches my subjective experiences. Would be nice to see this visualized using hard numbers (both extremes & averages).

This would also be very interesting here. I believe the intensity of storms passing through has increased over the last couple decades. I am in tornado alley so intense storms are part of life but the wind speeds associated with non-tornadic storms that pass have increased. It is not unusual now to get warnings for winds greater than 60 mph (96 kph) and we have seen winds greater than 80 mph (129 kph) several times in the last five years. I think wind speeds associated with storms are increasing so it would be interesting to see whether that data matches my perception.

Re: Rising Temperatures in the Netherlands

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Post by ANewFormation »

arp242 wrote: post #80
somenameforme wrote: post #64

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Quoting the paper, "In short, my English Lit friend, living in a mental world of absolute rights and wrongs, may be imagining that because all theories are wrong, the earth may be thought spherical now, but cubical next century, and a hollow icosahedron the next, and a doughnut shape the one after."

Yes, that is a thought exercise, or reductio ad absurdum if you want to be all fancy about it, not a serious accusation that they might believe the earth is a cube or doughnut shaped.

This is one of the few times I would argue you're offering an unreasonably charitable interpretation.

It reads like a textbook strawman. Asimov's certainty on us 'finally' getting things, more or less, right was challenged. He then strawmans that into somebody claiming there is no such thing as being right, as the future might discover your views flawed. Asimov then procedes to tear down the strawman which he built, with a more than healthy serving of thinly veiled ad hominem and other fallacies enjoined alongside.

I suspect this is why our original poster linked to that 5 page essay instead of paraphrasing what he found so compelling. Argumentative fallacies can give the perception of being right, and even insightful. But in hindsight, it's difficult to say why or how.

Re: Rising Temperatures in the Netherlands

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Post by paganel »

didibus wrote: post #61
paganel wrote: post #46

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Scientists don't really ask for policies. That's the job of politicians. I'm not sure why they'd apologize for it. Scientists just provide data and options. It's still true that the measures slowed down spread. That it didn't do it enough to justify putting the measures in place or not is more a matter of policy. Same thing applies to climate change. Scientists provide the data that the climate is warming up. That it…

How can politicians make science- and data-based decisions without being scientists themselves?

They can’t, by definition, that’s why in those cases what ends up happening is the politicians just rubber-stamping policies set up by scientists/experts, as a matter of fact this past pandemic has just put that whole process in the spotlight.

Re: Rising Temperatures in the Netherlands

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Post by vnglst »

RetroTechie wrote: post #70
vnglst wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks and that’s really interesting. I wanted to do rainfall next. It’s been really wet here this winter. And the summers have been a lot drier. Can’t wait to see the heatmap for that.

Bedankt voor deze bijdrage! > I wanted to do rainfall next. Wind, please! Most reports like this focus on temperature, some on rainfall. But more energy in atmosphere -> wind speeds increasing seems logical. And matches my subjective experiences. Would be nice to see this visualized using hard numbers (both extremes & averages).

I like that, I must admit I also forgot about wind, but it makes sense.

I do feel like there's less wind here in the Netherlands than before. But maybe that's just my personal experience after moving to a larger city.

Re: Rising Temperatures in the Netherlands

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Post by lucb1e »

lucb1e wrote: post #78
graemep wrote: post #68

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Nice snide comment to start with. I have looked. What I have found does not match what the models need. Most things aimed at the general public are simplistic. I assume the real answers require access to journals. Are global average temperatures enough to provide data for all the temperature variables in models? Surely only sufficient for a model that predicted only global average temperatures. Some models may have b…

> What I have found does not match what the models need. I don't understand this part. Do you mean there is a mismatch between the input parameters to these models and what data you've found to be available? As for access to journals, yeah, sci-hub is also where I turn to but it's getting less and less reliable. I should make acquaintances with someone at an allowlisted IP address at some point... > Here is an exampl…

> (I'm literally over an hour into this comment, I hope you find it useful at least!)

aaaaaaand ghosted...

I should really start to err more on the "fuck this" side rather than dilligently verifying posted information and trying to work toward a common understanding

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