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Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth

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Re: Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth

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Voyager 1 is so far away that it takes 22.5 hours for commands sent from Earth to reach the spacecraft. Additionally, the team must wait 45 hours to receive a response. I’m guessing “hotfix” commits don’t exist in this domain

The use of "additionally" is weird here. A full roundtrip is 45 hours. It doesn't take 22.5 + 45 hours to receive a response. 45 = 22.5 + 22.5.

It's an additional fact.

Re: Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth

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post #23
post #6

Voyager 1 is so far away that it takes 22.5 hours for commands sent from Earth to reach the spacecraft. Additionally, the team must wait 45 hours to receive a response. I’m guessing “hotfix” commits don’t exist in this domain

The use of "additionally" is weird here. A full roundtrip is 45 hours. It doesn't take 22.5 + 45 hours to receive a response. 45 = 22.5 + 22.5.

There was me thinking that the signal processing took 20 hrs but it turns out that whoever wrote that article has little grasp over physics.

Re: Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth

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How is it possible to still be able to get a signal from a spacecraft that's so far away? How can the antenna be directional enough while still being pointed right at the Earth? How do we remove the noise?

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MITM attack? Well they won't get away with this! Some humans are super-intelligent - they already discovered that the Earth is flat, and sitting on the bank of a giant turtle (yes it's turtles all the way down)

Re: Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be cool if we eventually develop the technology to send out a probe to go out there and fetch the Voyager probes, so that we can put them in a museum. (Presumably with one of the siblings of the fetching probe going further and faster than the Voyager probes ever managed)

That would be rather defeating their purpose. We put golden records on the Voyager probes, which included instructions for reading them, so that should another intelligent civilization be in their flight path they can learn of our existence and some of our culture.

Alternatively, preserve the mission and build a museum in-place around it :-)

Re: Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be cool if we eventually develop the technology to send out a probe to go out there and fetch the Voyager probes, so that we can put them in a museum. (Presumably with one of the siblings of the fetching probe going further and faster than the Voyager probes ever managed)

That would be rather defeating their purpose. We put golden records on the Voyager probes, which included instructions for reading them, so that should another intelligent civilization be in their flight path they can learn of our existence and some of our culture.

That was hardly their primary purpose, and presumably long before we were in a position to retrieve the Voyagers we would have sent faster probes that would have already overtaken them.

Re: Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We receive information that its radios are still working.

Communication is exchange of information . The sun is not communicating with us, and we know its "radio" is still working. It's a pedantic, and incorrect, argument against the headline. The guidelines actually say not to do this, even when you're right.

>Communication is exchange of information.

exchange actually does too much heavy lifting here. This almost passed, but no; communication is the transfer/movement of information.

One-way communication can convey (even if requiring a previously agreed upon compression mechanism) information - even a single bit or even the existence of a signal at all can be used - think about using the time between signals as a medium, etc.

Heartbeat signals (inverted dead-man switches) exchange information; it doesn't have to be the same type. The beat source explicitly proclaims it's existence in space-time and the receiving end can infer it's existence at a certain time.

Like natives' smoke patterns of Morse code of radio waves, using periodicity to convey bit value

Re: Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth

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A less alarmist and clickbait article can be found here: https://www.popsci.com/science/voyager-computer-issue/ NASA press release here: https://blogs.nasa.gov/sunspot/2023/12/12/engineers-working-... TL;DR - Voyager is sending back bad data, they're working on it.

Thank you. Didn't want to tap a CNN link for anything involving science P.s. I also wouldn't go to Fox, before you think this is left/right bias. My bias is against regular media reporting on anything scientific. It's either rendered alarmist, so simplified it's wrong, or some combination of the two

CNN is now owned by a right-wing nut, so CNN and Fox news are about the same now.

Re: Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth

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Vger will come back, eventually.

It would be cool if we eventually develop the technology to send out a probe to go out there and fetch the Voyager probes, so that we can put them in a museum. (Presumably with one of the siblings of the fetching probe going further and faster than the Voyager probes ever managed)

Reminds me of ... I think it was All Your Bridges Rusting? (Niven) Mostly about teleportation, but it's basically the whole "if you bring a 747 back to 1912, can you do anything at all for the Titanic" thought experiment.

(So this could be surprisingly difficult even with major propulsion leaps...)

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