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My doomed career as a North Korean novelist

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Re: My doomed career as a North Korean novelist

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I'm exhausted by catchy headlines that don't prep me as to whether I'll be interested in reading the piece. This article is about:

Kim Ju-sŏng was one such aspiring writer. A “zainichi” (Japan-born ethnic Korean), he “returned” to North Korea in 1976 at age 16 as part of a wave of emigration encouraged by pro-North Korean groups in Japan and lived in the country for 28 years before defecting to South Korea.

Re: My doomed career as a North Korean novelist

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It's always fascinating to hear about the cultural structures within North Korea. The image in my head is one where 5% are comfortable party officials and 95% are starving labourers. Of course that's not true: there are intellectuals and scientists in the middle, like in any other society. A related article was posted a few months ago regarding North Korean sci-fi. Also fascinating! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?…

In around 2017 I had a scholarship at Wuhan University. During that time the university hosted a cultural fair for international students. What was most interesting to me (as someone from the UK) was that I met for the first time ever students from North Korea.

These students were smartly dressed (suited and booted), which in comparison to everyone else in casual clothes, made them stand out. They spoke excellent English and Chinese, they were polite and thoughtful. Each international group had to give a stage performance, to which the NK students performed a piece similar to Beijing Opera; it was without doubt the most well rehearsed, costumed and, vibrant performance of the lot.

It made me realise I had a very narrow perspective of NK.

Re: My doomed career as a North Korean novelist

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It's always fascinating to hear about the cultural structures within North Korea. The image in my head is one where 5% are comfortable party officials and 95% are starving labourers. Of course that's not true: there are intellectuals and scientists in the middle, like in any other society. A related article was posted a few months ago regarding North Korean sci-fi. Also fascinating! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?…

In around 2017 I had a scholarship at Wuhan University. During that time the university hosted a cultural fair for international students. What was most interesting to me (as someone from the UK) was that I met for the first time ever students from North Korea. These students were smartly dressed (suited and booted), which in comparison to everyone else in casual clothes, made them stand out. They spoke excellent Eng…

Those people are literally North Koreas elite.

Re: My doomed career as a North Korean novelist

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It's always fascinating to hear about the cultural structures within North Korea. The image in my head is one where 5% are comfortable party officials and 95% are starving labourers. Of course that's not true: there are intellectuals and scientists in the middle, like in any other society. A related article was posted a few months ago regarding North Korean sci-fi. Also fascinating! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?…

In around 2017 I had a scholarship at Wuhan University. During that time the university hosted a cultural fair for international students. What was most interesting to me (as someone from the UK) was that I met for the first time ever students from North Korea. These students were smartly dressed (suited and booted), which in comparison to everyone else in casual clothes, made them stand out. They spoke excellent Eng…

That's how propaganda works, they are trained to project that image of NK abroad

Re: My doomed career as a North Korean novelist

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Nothing like any other society. I lived through Communist Poland. Comfortable life for officials meant that they could use stores with stuff from the west (to buy Levi's jeans, Marlboro cigarettes, or perhaps even a walkman - you can google Pewex to read about these stores). Many of them had also homes. Not as in villas, but as in plain homes that you see in american suburbs. One of the country leaders in 1950s built…

This is really interesting. I always balk against people talking about inequality with this sort of thing in mind: the problem isn't inequality, it's how good the low and average standards of living are, and whether they're improving. It requires no talent, only power, to take people's stuff and redistribute it. It requires talent and effort to create new things that raise the bar for everyone, and just as much to ma…

> the problem isn't inequality, it's how good the low and average standards of living are, and whether they're improving

I understand this perspective, but I still think inequality is important. Inequality is a measure of how good the low standards are Vs how good they could be.

Re: My doomed career as a North Korean novelist

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I got intrigued by the "Proof of the Man" book but failed to find an English translation. Anyone knows if it exists?

Unfortunately no, Goodreads says it’s only been translated into Korean and Chinese. I’d say buy it from Amazon or wherever, but then the paperback needs OCR and afaik Amazon.co.jp doesn’t sell ebooks outside Japan… Or perhaps try the movie, which is available with English subtitles.

Re: My doomed career as a North Korean novelist

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> is a privilege Why are you watering down the word "privilege"? Historically privilege was an exemption from taxes due to the fact that one of your ancestors helped some king in a war. How exactly is education a privilege? At least in the US, everyone has access to public education. My kids go to public school, and while I can't say their education is perfect, it's not that bad either. You could probably say that pr…

> How exactly is education a privilege? At least in the US, everyone has access to public education. The article is literally about life in North Korea...

Should we then conclude that freedom of speech is a privilege because people in North Korea don’t have it?

Re: My doomed career as a North Korean novelist

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In communist country, as an author, you have to praise some ideals and ideas because otherwise you are being ostracized and dying from hunger. In a modern "democratic" society you have to praise some ideals and ideas because otherwise you are being ostracized and dying from hunger.

It's so nice to have choices and to be able to freely write whatever you think or you fancy...

Re: My doomed career as a North Korean novelist

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This is really interesting. I always balk against people talking about inequality with this sort of thing in mind: the problem isn't inequality, it's how good the low and average standards of living are, and whether they're improving. It requires no talent, only power, to take people's stuff and redistribute it. It requires talent and effort to create new things that raise the bar for everyone, and just as much to ma…

> the problem isn't inequality, it's how good the low and average standards of living are, and whether they're improving I understand this perspective, but I still think inequality is important. Inequality is a measure of how good the low standards are Vs how good they could be .

I suppose that's true, but I don't think that's how it's used.

Also, that's only useful where it's helpful. We don't live in a world where everyone can eat expensive meals every night, because those require work from other people.

What is actually helpful is the rich buying a load of stuff, some of which is crazy, and the useful things are identified by entrepreneurs as being worthy of trying to bring to mass market, and then suddenly (almost) everyone can afford them, and they can even be sold in other countries for a lower price that couldn't make them in the next 500 years. E.g. reading glasses were once for the rich, and now are so prevalent that we don't realise what a privilege being able to access them is.

But none of that requires knowledge of inequality. Simple market forces will do that.

Re: My doomed career as a North Korean novelist

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It's always fascinating to hear about the cultural structures within North Korea. The image in my head is one where 5% are comfortable party officials and 95% are starving labourers. Of course that's not true: there are intellectuals and scientists in the middle, like in any other society. A related article was posted a few months ago regarding North Korean sci-fi. Also fascinating! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?…

NK is 60% urbanized, higher than many ex soviet bloc countries. My uncle goes there for business, and other global south countries as well. In his assessment, everyday NK living conditions better than most of global poor. Compared it to a clean tier3 PRC city from the 90s, pretty ordered, few cars, lots of bikes, few advertisement, clean. Sterile and boring but in his opinion, preferrable to filthy urban centres else where. Same with the rural hamlets he went to. Sucks during winter. He found it charming enough over all. Reality is NK still holding on to residual industrial prowess - it takes some competent state organization to build nukes - and that translates into other parts of civil structures. More countries can't do what NK does, than can. There was a survey where 1/5th of NK defectors in SK were willing to return north, citing nostalgia. Anecdotally that's more than my experience talking diasphora from ex soviet republics in Canada. Of course uncle wasn't there during periods of crisis where gov whent full Juche.
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