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Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

#81
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Google charges USD 0,15/GB for egress traffic out of GCP. That's USD 36864 for 240TB. Am I right? EDIT: Actually egress seems to be 0,08. So roughly half of what I wrote.

The article said it was stored in a Google Workspace account, which means it is Google Drive and there are no egress fees.

Oh I see. Thanks for the information.

Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

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post #27

The title is wrong. He had the option of paying for the space at least for the time that it takes him to download and archive the data himself.

Source? None of the emails shown said anything about buying additional space.

The second one has a link labeled "free up or get more storage."

I suspect it links here: https://support.google.com/a/answer/12005619?sjid=1774262812...

Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

#83

The actual headline is slightly less inflammatory: "Google Promises Unlimited Cloud Storage; Then Cancels Plan; Then Tells Journalist His Life’s Work Will Be Deleted Without Enough Time To Transfer The Data" The facts of the article are even less inflammatory. The journalist uploaded 237.22 TB of video to his google drive when the "unlimited" plan existed. When google phased out the unlimited plan, he's not paying fo…

The bad part is that Google announced 60+ days before the change took effect that the account would become read-only. Nowhere did they state the account would be terminated, or could not indefinitely remain in a read-only state. Then, they suddenly spring a 7 day deadline to download all your data, with no previous mention.

Very poor communication from Google.

Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

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1) Physical Media that YOU physically own & control. 2) Off-Site Backups Regardless of the threat, whether it is just bad media, house fire, ordinary thieves, or the FBI, relying on some cloud service as your only backup is a plan to fail. If it is a threat if someone reads the backups, encrypt. Sure, as a supplemental convenience, use Google or something. But as the only backup of your life's work? I feel really bad…

I agree with having offsite backup. But for 250 TB that is not that easy or cheap. One disk of family pictures you can give to a family member.

Storing 250 TB in a public cloud isn't going to be cheap either. Even aws glacier is going to be close to $1k/month for that amount of storage. And god help you if you actually want your files back (around $25k for retrieving the whole thing!).

Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

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> And, yes, some people have asked why Tim doesn’t have other backups around, but (again) the FBI took all of his shit. I was about to say 'you should have other backups', but the FBI is a very powerful persistent threat, and might be the more important problem.

Seems ludicrous that they can get a warrant to take everything if he really was just hitting URLs.

I almost get the impression that the act of gathering of evidence for the supposed CFAA violation is intended as a form of extrajudicial punishment.

Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

#87

The actual headline is slightly less inflammatory: "Google Promises Unlimited Cloud Storage; Then Cancels Plan; Then Tells Journalist His Life’s Work Will Be Deleted Without Enough Time To Transfer The Data" The facts of the article are even less inflammatory. The journalist uploaded 237.22 TB of video to his google drive when the "unlimited" plan existed. When google phased out the unlimited plan, he's not paying fo…

This is all reasonable but you missed the bit where they gave him only seven days' notice.

They didn't; there were many emails throughout 2022 discussing "Important changes to your subscription" from the Google Workspace Team stating that unlimited storage plans were going away and that people were being moved to pooled storage across the entire account.

They were moved to a new storage subscription in mid-2022 and while they were over the limits, Google ignored it up to this point.

Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

#88
"Unlimited" anything needs to be retired as an offering since we know genuinely unlimited storage would be impossible to deliver. I assume it's easier to legally weasel out of a service offering if you say "Unlimited" (but really mean 5TB) rather than say 6TB (but really mean 5TB).

Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

#89
post #10
post #2

This is one of the reasons i dont like cloud. I only use it for (encrypted) backups and temporary sharing. Not for important stuff. Also i dont want my account or data to be randomly deleted due to vague terms and conditions or policies.

the problem is that many people dont use it as a backup. In a backup scenario, you are immune to these things, because you still have your primary copy. It's annoying yes, but in a backup you can always afford to lose the backup with no problem. But many people treat these solutions as an extension of their hard drive. A physical analogy is putting your books into a Shurguard/self storage. Thats not a backup, that's…

Putting your files in a different provider is technically not a backup, it's a copy. A backup means data durability minimum requirements that most cloud file hosting does not provide without a business-level subscription. Even then it may not be replicated outside a region and not use cold storage.

The distinction is important if you want to rely on more than luck to keep your data safe.

Re: Google Promises Unlimited Storage; Cancels; Tells Journalist Life's Work Deleted

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I trust cloud just fine--I just don't trust unsustainable business models. You never know what some beancounter at a megacorp thinks is "sustainable". Putting your data in the hands of a third party is certainly convenient, but shouldn't be relied on if you care about the data sticking around.

You never know when you'll have a fire, software bug, or critical disk failure. It's at least as good of a backup location as any other.

Oh it's a fine backup location, but should never be relied on as a primary or sole storage location as in the article.
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