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'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by jgeada »

ardit33 wrote: post #50
ameminator wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, the "benefit of the doubt" has been lost in relation to this subject. I no longer believe it is possible to have any thread about this remain civil. It's tragic and a tragic subject, although I dispute the "there couldn't be a more significant current event" - lots of events are equally (or more) significant and relevant. I hope to be proven wrong, but I have doubts.

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Sometimes the Onion hits it out the park: "Israel Assures It Doing Everything Possible To Minimize Civilians"

https://www.theonion.com/israel-assures-it-doing-everything-...

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by cassepipe »

lossolo wrote: post #54

Israel has also been imposing apartheid on Palestinians for years, a fact that high-ranking officials themselves admit [1][2], and which human rights reports confirm[3]. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/06/israel-imposin... [2] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-08-13/ty-article/ex... [3] https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra...

I used to think of the situation as an appartheid too as it seemed to be the most accurate comparison but if found that the more I learned about the situation that that comparison was not helpful at all unless your only purpose is to say that the situation of Palestinians is immoral (which it can be without being "appartheid")

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

dang wrote: post #2

All: if you're going to comment in this thread, please do not do so in the spirit of battle. The latter is off topic here, and the last thread HN had about this did not do well enough at keeping to the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Instead, ask first whether you can find a place of compassion in yourself before commenting. If you can't, that's understandable, but then please don'…

You usually nuke stories that are political. I'm not being critical, it clearly leads to significant improvement over similar sites.

What makes this one different? When I see a headline like this, I usually assume I managed to see it before you did, and if I refresh the page that it will probably disappear. So again, and without accusation, what's different?

Bad things happen all over the world, nearly constantly or at least it seems to a cynic like myself. Some of those bad things seem... if not fixable, then at least not intractable. Those stories don't seem welcome here though. Surely the situation in Israel and Palestine is as intractable as any, and so much more than most.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by ngcazz »

nradov wrote: post #44
suoduandao3 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My taxes aren't funding that terrorist group.

False. US taxpayers fund UN agencies which have sent large amounts of foreign aid to Gaza. Much of that money is diverted or embezzled by Hamas. https://apnews.com/article/business-middle-east-israel-forei...

Well, Hamas does govern Gaza, plus the blockade ensures Gaza is all but deprived of any material resources it needs to thrive.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by bryanlarsen »

ido wrote: post #48
dang wrote: post #2

All: if you're going to comment in this thread, please do not do so in the spirit of battle. The latter is off topic here, and the last thread HN had about this did not do well enough at keeping to the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Instead, ask first whether you can find a place of compassion in yourself before commenting. If you can't, that's understandable, but then please don'…

Thank you, Dang. As someone on the Israeli left I feel like I'm between a rock and a hard place- I do not condone Netanyahu and his government and am indeed very critical of Israeli governments of the past decades. But on the other side, my 78 year old mother is fleeing to shelter every couple hours as my hometown (not anywhere near the west bank or the Gaza strip) gets hit by rockets, as do my young nieces and nephe…

In your opinion what are the chances of having an early election to replace Netanyahu? AFAICT it requires a non-confidence vote in the Knesset, but how likely do you think this could happen?

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by PoignardAzur »

hiddencost wrote: post #70

My political awareness was forged by the 9/11 terrorist attacks and the American response. The core lesson: the point of a terrorist attack is to trigger an over reaction. America wildly over reacted and became fundamentally hostile to Arab and Muslim people. This reaction led to some of the most successful recruiting of radicals in generations. Israel's response to this crisis seems to have failed to learn from that…

To misquote Bryan Cantrill, one should not make the mistake of anthropomorphizing Netanyahu.

When a nationalist politician like him is faced with an event like this, long-term international diplomacy considerations barely enter the picture.

The violence just comforted him in his previous worldviews, all he saw was that his nationalistic policies were justified and the only viable answer was to be even more of a nationalist.

I don't see any reality where he didn't have the most violent response he could get away with.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by wahnfrieden »

bluescrn wrote: post #73

Meanwhile, Egypt seems to get a free pass, minimal criticism for keeping its border locked down while being adjacent to a terrible conflict? They could at least let the most vulnerable/sick/injured flee.

They have prepared and requested to send a large amount of aid through that border which Israel disallowed. As for opening the border for Israel’s request to Nakba the whole population into someone else’s desert…

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by tomp »

cassepipe wrote: post #56

Those are the most serious allegations: "The men and teenage boys were taken to a warehouse where they sat on a bare floor covered in scattered grains of rice. There they were beaten, interrogated and verbally abused. There was no sleep, and the grains of rice cut their skin as they sat there, undressed." A man claims: "Some people didn’t return from the torture sessions. We would hear their screams and then nothing.…

re: 1.

the aggression is still happening, Hamas is still launching rockets into Israel, so I'd personally say this is Israel defending itself

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