Plan for Windows 10 End of Support • Hacker News Board

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by prmoustache » Sat, Dec 09, 2023, 1:17 AM UTC

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #61

prmoustache wrote: post #57

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If you want to be 100% sure these things work, a number of companies are selling computers withnlinux preinstalled. Support is also usually easy to check beforehand with a web search.

What does the support of fractional scaling or touchpad gestures have to do with the laptop you're running on? Either the OS supports them or not, no need to buy a new Linux laptop for that, that's crazy.

Fractionnal scaling and touchpad gestures have been supported for years. But obviously it depends of the desktop/wm used.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by karmakaze » Sat, Dec 09, 2023, 1:43 AM UTC

quaffapint wrote: post #79

Oct 2025, by that time Windows 12 will come out and we can continue the skip every other Windows OS cycle.

Or it will all be Windows 365 subscription only.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by asveikau » Sat, Dec 09, 2023, 2:14 AM UTC

vetinari wrote: post #67

asveikau wrote: post #24

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You're also pretty limited in what you can do and who you can communicate with on an older OS. For example, Windows XP doesn't support modern and commonly implemented TLS.

Windows 3.11 didn't come with TCP/IP stack, just IPX/SPX and NetBEUI. You had to install TCP/IP separately.

Yeah I remember. There were 3rd party winsocks and they had compatibility problems. I remember upgrading to 95 and trying to run 3.1 winsock apps. It worked. But it had lots of issues.

I was just pulling out the XP example (a decade newer than 3.1) to illustrate the scale of difficulty one would have. You could literally have the same SChannel binary run on Win11 and WinXP... And the XP one wouldn't be able to talk to the modern internet due to TLS. Obviously the further back in time you go, the more of this type of problem you would have.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by jart » Sat, Dec 09, 2023, 5:08 AM UTC

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #15

Alifatisk wrote: post #3

I would have updated if it wasn't for Windows 11 requiring a specific hardware. I'll stick to Windows 10, when it dies, I'll probably force myself to switch to Fedora or something.

You don't need specific hardware, it will run on non-TPM devices as well. I've also noticed that if you build the ISO yourself via UUP dump[1], instead of using the official ISO from Microsoft, then you get a bare start menu with no bloatware or ads, just Explorer and Edge. Nice. [1] https://uupdump.net/

> You don't need specific hardware, it will run on non-TPM devices as well.

The article says that if you don't buy a new computer with TPM 2.0 then you have to migrate to "the cloud" in order to use Windows 11. What the flip is a Cloud PC? How much a panopticon for spying will that make my daily life working in PuTTY?

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by anticensor » Sat, Dec 09, 2023, 9:11 AM UTC

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #43

Alifatisk wrote: post #38

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> You don't need specific hardware, it will run on non-TPM devices as well. Oh, because the update button in the settings says my hardware does not meet the requirements.

I meant if you do a clean install via UUP dump generated ISO or a Rufus modified ISO, then it bypassed the TPM check. Updating an existing install on non compliant HW via the official update button obviously doesn't work (unless there's some hacks for it that came out, I don't know I always do a clean install between major versions since I don't want all the years of cruft and changes from one version to be carried o…

Some third party userspace apps may still silently crash due to missing TPM.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv » Sat, Dec 09, 2023, 11:58 AM UTC

zamadatix wrote: post #69

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #59

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I would have updated if it wasn't for Windows 11 having the option to ungroup tasks removed. I heard the rumor they would bring it back one day, but this day hasn't arrived yet.

This arrived a couple months ago.

Do you have any source for that? Because I check every update my org rolls out and it still hasn't arrived on my Desktop. I only heard a rumor a few months ago they enabled in some development preview so hopefully it will go mainstream one day.

EDIT: it seems it's half-baked:

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/windows-11s-...

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by mikewarot » Sat, Dec 09, 2023, 3:43 PM UTC

So now I know when I'll forced off of Windows, and lose access to WikidPad as a result... October 14, 2025. Choices are to fix WikidPad by then, or migrate all the notes to NotePad++, etc.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by FirmwareBurner » Sat, Dec 09, 2023, 4:41 PM UTC

anticensor wrote: post #85

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant if you do a clean install via UUP dump generated ISO or a Rufus modified ISO, then it bypassed the TPM check. Updating an existing install on non compliant HW via the official update button obviously doesn't work (unless there's some hacks for it that came out, I don't know I always do a clean install between major versions since I don't want all the years of cruft and changes from one version to be carried o…

Some third party userspace apps may still silently crash due to missing TPM.

Like which apps?

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by FirmwareBurner » Sat, Dec 09, 2023, 4:42 PM UTC

prmoustache wrote: post #81

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does the support of fractional scaling or touchpad gestures have to do with the laptop you're running on? Either the OS supports them or not, no need to buy a new Linux laptop for that, that's crazy.

Fractionnal scaling and touchpad gestures have been supported for years. But obviously it depends of the desktop/wm used.

Supported YES*. Working flawlessly out of the box, NO.

Re: Plan for Windows 10 End of Support

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Post by CamperBob2 » Sat, Dec 09, 2023, 5:50 PM UTC

IntelMiner wrote: post #80

CamperBob2 wrote: post #78

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Show me a single Meltdown or Spectre exploit that has affected real users. Can't? Then you're just selling tiger-proof rocks. Expensive ones.

"Everything is working, what do I even pay you for!"

Also meant to call out the irony of your "MP3.EXE" example earlier. Whose bright idea was it to use DOS-era file extensions to drive executable functionality, then hide those extensions from the user by default? That would be Microsoft. The bad guys just took advantage of their lack of actual cybersecurity horse sense.

The paranoid stupidity surrounding forced Spectre and Meltdown mitigations, whose carbon footprint is probably getting close to that of Bitcoin at this point, is just another example.