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The pro-Israel information war

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Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by KittenInABox »

Dalewyn wrote: post #54
seydor wrote: post #35

I think the behavior of the EU is more problematic TBH. Ursula VdL went heavily pro-israel the first day kind of giving carte blanche to israel for the following days This situation is not a good look for western response in general. The world is watching. Reminder that Srebrenica was 8000 deaths, but 17100 palestinians are justified losses.

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I want to believe that Hamas is hiding among civilians, but there has already been reported major violations where there cannot be any military benefit for Israel about this. A hospital with a children's ward was labeled to be a command center for Hamas, but when the BBC came to examine the command center, they not only found nothing to indicate a major military use but also had video evidence (from previous video taken earlier in the day by Israeli military) that what was there was actively staged for them. And then we find out that the children's ward had babies in incubators-- and the Israeli military did nothing to save those babies despite taking control of the hospital. Like, when Palestinians were able to get back to the hospital they found the babies as corpses rotting in the incubators. This was confirmed by neutral third party reporters. WTF?

How much grace can someone reasonably hold for a military force that repeatedly lies and then allows babies in incubators to die in the hospital they took over? At what point should we hold a much more well funded, a much more democratic, and a much more supposedly civilized civilization to higher standards than the terrorists they're fighting?

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by Animats »

flyinglizard wrote: post #62
Animats wrote: post #57

"That’s where the efforts of J-Ventures’ hasbara WhatsApp group come in. The group, which also includes attorneys and individuals affiliated with the influential American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), has tirelessly worked to fire employees and punish activists for expressing pro-Palestinian views." Is that even legal under US law? Apparently it is in some states. Federal law does not, apparently, prohibit…

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AIPAC is the American-Israel Political Action Committee. "The largest pro-Israel PAC in America", their web site says. They are, quite openly, a lobby for Israel's interests in the US.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by notaustinpowers »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #50
aga98mtl wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be surprised if clever people were actually confused about that. Only a rich person like PG can afford to say the emperor has no clothes.

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47%+ of the population of Palestine and Gaza are under the age of 18, and 75.9% are under the age of 35, which is how old they'd have to be to have voted Hamas back in 2006 when they had their last election.

When almost 76% of a country has never had the ability to vote in an election, can you really say that it's disingenuous to claim that much of the people of Gaza are innocent victims?

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Post by flyinglizard »

pazimzadeh wrote: post #60
everybodyknows wrote: post #20

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What did he say? Nothing new on his home page.

he tweeted a while back the number of palestinian vs israeli children who have died since october 7 there were way more palestinian children who had died, and some didn't like that being broadcast

Is this the metric for who’s right? Should both sides equalize in the name of some obscure justice?

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by soVeryTired »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #50
aga98mtl wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be surprised if clever people were actually confused about that. Only a rich person like PG can afford to say the emperor has no clothes.

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By that logic I could put the Iraq war on your head, assuming you're American. Hamas supporters are complicit, but not all Gazans are.

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Post by jesusofnazarath »

beltsazar wrote: post #48
master_crab wrote: post #13

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Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

It depends on "Israeli what". Anti Israeli government: It's not antisemitic. Anti Israeli people: It's antisemitic.

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Post by slibhb »

jdross wrote: post #7

Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

There's all kinds of propaganda from both sides all over the internet. But the linked article is about organized pressure campaigns.

It's been interesting to observe that various official Israeli accounts have taken to posting tik-tok-like videos that quickly show images, footage, text commentary, all with very little context.

Of course pro-Palestinian people/groups are doing the same thing, but it feels odd to see a first-world government engaged so directly in pushing that sort of propaganda. I can't imagine the US army directly tweeting this kind of stuff. The US, I feel, would do it through proxy groups.

I don't have much to add about any of this, only that you clearly cannot trust the sort of videos, images, and statements all over the internet. As they say, in war, truth is the first casualty.

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Post by nerdponx »

kingkawn wrote: post #58
rushingcreek wrote: post #29

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It’s obviously true that criticism of Israel isn’t inherently antisemitic. But that’s also a convenient excuse used by people who are actually antisemitic. Both of these things can be true at once.

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This.

I have always been very very skeptical of the motives and intentions of various BDS groups over the years. Lots of issues with hypocrisy, propaganda, and double standards.

But that doesn't excuse the murder of thousands of civilians in collective retribution for the murder of a few dozen.

It's possible for both things to be true: Hamas is bad and committed a heinous act of terrorism, and Israel is committing a horrifying atrocity against Palestinian civilians in retaliation.

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Post by bluefishinit »

azinman2 wrote: post #76
sertbdfgbnfgsd wrote: post #27

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> Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. > If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views. That platforms prioritize one over the other is just one possible explanation. An alternative explanation is that more people already have those views. And it's dishonest to present one explanation and omit the other. N…

And where do you think that comes from? Some coherent well researched culturally deep understanding of history and the current status of things by the entire population? Of course not, it’s propaganda. There are ethnic conflicts worldwide that often have more bloodshed, many occurring simultaneously right now, but this gets all the rhetoric and attention.

If you watch some of the content in question you’ll see that it actually is often in-depth analysis of history done by younger people. I’ve seen many clips discussing Nakba and the right of return for instance.

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Post by m_a_g »

Dalewyn wrote: post #54
seydor wrote: post #35

I think the behavior of the EU is more problematic TBH. Ursula VdL went heavily pro-israel the first day kind of giving carte blanche to israel for the following days This situation is not a good look for western response in general. The world is watching. Reminder that Srebrenica was 8000 deaths, but 17100 palestinians are justified losses.

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I think it's tragic that you have no sympathy for children and innocent civilians dying. No matter the side.
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