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Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by gizmo »

verdverm wrote: post #74
gizmo wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pointing out clear hypocrisy. That's not whataboutism.

It can be both at the same time, which I would agree it is. Whataboutism seeks to inject other topics instead of focusing on the one at hand

I'm not inviting people to change the topic with my post. Hetzners actions are clearly because of sanctions against Russia. They say so in their email. My response asks whether "the geopolitical situation" is a good justification, given that there are many comparable geopolitical situations where Europe would never respond with sanctions like these.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by ametrau »

binarray2000 wrote: post #44
jamal-kumar wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they should stop brutalizing their nearest neighbors with guns and their global neighbors with hacks as if this is normal behaviour idk Not on us that they've let their reputation slide so far

> brutalizing their nearest neighbors Following your logic: US and its NATO minions are brutalizing countries nowhere near them (Syria, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya - to name a few from the last 30 years), it had (still has?) prisons where Muslims were tortured and the world should have sanctioned it and its businesses and citizens with the harshest sanctions for that. Tell me more about reputation slide.

Woah woah woah, we’re having a great time feeling holier than thou. Don’t spoil it by mentioning the many horrors we’ve committed around the world.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by ametrau »

Goodroo wrote: post #51
flohofwoe wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not "turning against each other", it was Russia's decision alone to break ties with the civilized world.

What is the meaning of civilized world?

The US / US friendly side.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by benterix »

severino wrote: post #70

Probably Russia is ok with this too. Russian money that was going to the EU (and later used against Russian interests) will now go to somewhere else, maybe to friendlier countries.

> Russian money that was going to the EU (and later used against Russian interests)

One consequence of the current war is that people realized that Russian money going to the EU was actually pretty often used to support Russian interests.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

throwaway4good wrote: post #22

So why now? Almost 2 years after the invasion. My guess is that Hetzner got tired helping intelligence services bug their customers: https://www.devever.net/~hl/xmpp-incident

Thanks for mentioning, this is fascinating. The original report is a masterpiece of forensics investigation. Worth a read: https://notes.valdikss.org.ru/jabber.ru-mitm/

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by byyll »

verdverm wrote: post #71
Goodroo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the meaning of civilized world?

One feature is not invading sovereign nations. However, each faction has shown creativity in how they define and apply this idea.

So the US isn't civilized, glad we settled that.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by benterix »

xtian wrote: post #79
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no chance of Putin being overthrown. The population loves the guy.

Sorry but I read many comments here over the past year saying that Russia will collapse soon and Ukraine will push all the way to Moscow

The media made all kinds of groundless prophecies especially at the beginning of the war when everyone, including Putin, were clueless. But now it should be obvious to everybody that it's going to be a very long war and nobody has any idea as to how it ends, and whether Putin's death will actually end it.[0]

[0] He's much older than the average life expectancy for men in Russia (which is probably around 63 years now) and ill but with expert medical care he might still live for another 10-15 years, one just might wonder how it would affect his brain.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by verdverm »

gizmo wrote: post #81
verdverm wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It can be both at the same time, which I would agree it is. Whataboutism seeks to inject other topics instead of focusing on the one at hand

I'm not inviting people to change the topic with my post. Hetzners actions are clearly because of sanctions against Russia. They say so in their email. My response asks whether "the geopolitical situation" is a good justification, given that there are many comparable geopolitical situations where Europe would never respond with sanctions like these.

There are contradictions in your comments, one example

> Maybe Hetzner is acting out of principle, maybe they choose to do this because of optics.

> Hetzners actions are clearly because of sanctions against Russia. They say so in their email.

> My response asks whether "the geopolitical situation" is a good justification

It's very hard to follow your logic and what you think is the reason Hetzner is cancelling some customers

Either way, your original comment is whataboutism as judged by HN members. Maybe it is not elsewhere, but it seems here it is

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by xtian »

benterix wrote: post #88
xtian wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but I read many comments here over the past year saying that Russia will collapse soon and Ukraine will push all the way to Moscow

The media made all kinds of groundless prophecies especially at the beginning of the war when everyone, including Putin, were clueless. But now it should be obvious to everybody that it's going to be a very long war and nobody has any idea as to how it ends, and whether Putin's death will actually end it.[0] [0] He's much older than the average life expectancy for men in Russia (which is probably around 63 years now)…

You’re right that’s what the media is saying now so we need to update our beliefs accordingly.
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