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Re: Gemini AI

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Post by sidibe »

DeathArrow wrote: post #62

Apple lost the PC battle, MS lost the mobile battle, Google is losing the AI battle. You can't win everywhere.

I'd bet Google comes out on top eventually, this is just too much down their alley for them not to do well at it, it's pretty naive of people to dismiss them because OpenAI had a great product a year earlier.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by netcraft »

Lots of comments about it barely beating GPT-4 despite the latter being out for a while, but personally ill be happy to have another alternative, if nothing else for the competition.

But I really dislike these pre-availability announcements - we have to speculate and take their benchmarks for gospel for a week, while they get a bunch of press for unproven claims.

Back to the original point though, ill be happier having google competing in this space, I think we will all benefit from heavyweight competition.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by sodality2 »

krona wrote: post #40
wiz21c wrote: post #27

The improvement over ChatGPT are counted in (very) few percents. Does it mean they have entered a diminishing returns phase or is it that each percent is much harder to get compared to the previous ones ?

Wouldn't 95% vs 90% mean 2x better, not 5% better?

Depends on if you mean "better" as better score (5% better) or "better" as in "fewer errors" (100% better).

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by phillipcarter »

robertlagrant wrote: post #33
phillipcarter wrote: post #2

> Starting on December 13, developers and enterprise customers can access Gemini Pro via the Gemini API in Google AI Studio or Google Cloud Vertex AI. Excited to give this a spin. There will be rough edges, yes, but it's always exciting to have new toys that do better (or worse) in various ways.

OpenAI did well to let anyone try it with a login on a website.

Yep. That's their "moat", to go with The Discourse. For better or for worse, a bunch of us know how to use their models, where the models do well, where the models are a little rickety, etc. Google needs to build up that same community.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by xyzzy_plugh »

> Starting on December 13, developers and enterprise customers can access Gemini Pro via the Gemini API in Google AI Studio or Google Cloud Vertex AI.

AI Studio looks alright but I'm curious if folks here have experience to share with Vertex AI. I worked on a project using it not long ago and it was a complete mess. The thick client SDKs felt so unpolished and clunky compared to other Google Cloud products and the whole thing is just seems way harder to integrate than say ChatGPT.

Maybe things have changed recently but I'm honestly surprised to see them promoting it.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by ZeroCool2u »

madspindel wrote: post #57

Is it live already at bard.google.com? Just tried it and still useless compared to GPT 3.5.

It seems to be. Bard is only using the G-Pro model, not the Ultra, which is what all the benchmarks they're touting are showing. If I had to guess, the best you could hope for is exactly what you're describing.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by smoldesu »

tikkun wrote: post #60

One observation: Sundar's comments in the main video seem like he's trying to communicate "we've been doing this ai stuff since you (other AI companies) were little babies" - to me this comes off kind of badly, like it's trying too hard to emphasize how long they've been doing AI (which is a weird look when the currently publicly available SOTA model is made by OpenAI, not Google). A better look would simply be to sh…

In fairness, the performance/size ratio for models like BERT still gives GPT-3/4 and even Llama a run for it's money. Their tech isn't as product-ized as OpenAI's, but Tensorflow and it's ilk have been an essential part of driving actual AI adoption. The people I know in the robotics and manufacturing industries are forever grateful for the out-front work Google did to get the ball rolling.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by rescripting »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #34

Bard still not available in Canada so i can't use it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Wonder why Google is the only one that can't release their model here.

Anthropic's Claude is still not available in Canada either. Anyone have insight into why its difficult to bring these AI models to Canada when on the surface its political and legal landscape isn't all that different from the US?
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